US Senate moves to punish Saudi primitives.

[kudzu]

He is desperately googling.

I have supported Sabeel for over a decade now. Its mostly Christian and Muslim and they advocate reconciliation and since the opportunity for a 2 State solution is long gone, the support a one state solution. It was born in the Episcopal Church in Palestine. If you have a chance, read A Palestinian Christian Cry for Reconciliation....

They also lecture in cities all over the world.

 

[moon]

Saudi King Salman silent on Khashoggi in annual Shura address

King Salman presents Saudi policies amid renewed calls from US Congress for condemnation over Khashoggi's murder.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...et-address-shura-council-181119063952366.html

See YOU- oh Star of the Firmament.

 

[Bigdog]

Have you ever met him? I have..

Do you also want to rid ourselves of Putin and Netanyahu? Politica assassinations are quite common for them.

Harem girl? :0) j/k

Seriously, I would like to hear that story. How did that happen?

 

[kudzu]

Harem girl? :0) j/k

Seriously, I would like to hear that story. How did that happen?

What are you talking about?

 

[Bigdog]

I ain't got time to be no Internet history instructor - but 181 was a General Assembly agreement of a proposal. It had nothing to do with any ' official ' recognition of an Israeli state AND everything that it agreed to applied equally to the Arab population of Palestine.
True- there is a very powerful case for accepting the borders it agreed as binding- but you wouldn't want to go accepting 181 as binding, would you. Haw, haw........haw. Only if you can cherry-pick its conclusions, right ? Haw, haw.......haw.

Not Official? ... ok, I'll give you that on technicality. The creation of a Jewish Nation was self-evident. The framework was clearly laid out in the Res and Mandate.

What did you think was going to happen when the mandate expired?

 

[kudzu]

Not Official? ... ok, I'll give you that on technicality. The creation of a Jewish Nation was self-evident. The framework was clearly laid out in the Res and Mandate.

What did you think was going to happen when the mandate expired?

Do you even know what a mandate is? Its not ownership. The Brits gave away land that they never owned.

 

[Bigdog]

What are you talking about?

#153

Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
I disagree, possibly the only way to rid ourselves of MBS is a strict punishment of the country. After all he is in line to rule that country one day.

Kudzu: Have you ever met him? I have..

 

[Bigdog]

Do you even know what a mandate is? Its not ownership. The Brits gave away land that they never owned.

My understanding is that it is a temporary government. What do you think it is?

 

[moon]

Not Official? ... ok, I'll give you that on technicality. The creation of a Jewish Nation was self-evident. The framework was clearly laid out in the Res and Mandate.

What did you think was going to happen when the mandate expired?

There was never any JEWISH nation created. What was proposed was a HOMELAND for Jews. Nobody expected that the bastards would kill or evict everybody else that was living there.

You should be aware that the U.S.A never recognized a ' Jewish ' state. Truman emphasized that the recognition was for ' a state of Israel ' He crossed out ' Jewish state ' in the recognition document.
Izrael is not a ' Jewish ' state to this day. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

May 14, 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: The United States recognizes Israel on a de facto basis. The White House issues the following statement: "This Government has been informed that a Jewish state has been proclaimed in Palestine, and recognition has been requested by the provisional government thereof. The United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the State of Israel." View a color copy of this document.

https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php?action=bg

 

[Bigdog]

1920

The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and ...

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home." ...

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

Moon -

To you, what is the meaning of the word ... "national" ... in the context of the (above) mandate?

 

[Bigdog]

There was never any JEWISH nation created. What was proposed was a HOMELAND for Jews. Nobody expected that the bastards would kill or evict everybody else that was living there.

You should be aware that the U.S.A never recognized a ' Jewish ' state. Truman emphasized that the recognition was for ' a state of Israel ' He crossed out ' Jewish state ' in the recognition document.
Izrael is not a ' Jewish ' state to this day. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Yep ... it wasn't the genocide that you pretend. The Jews are willing to share with those who wish to live in peace together.

May 14, 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: The United States recognizes Israel on a de facto basis. The White House issues the following statement: "This Government has been informed that a Jewish state has been proclaimed in Palestine, and recognition has been requested by the provisional government thereof. The United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the State of Israel." View a color copy of this document.

The name of the Jewish State is Israel.

To repeat that it is a Jewish State would be superfluous.

 

[Phantasmal]

It’s a travesty, the Prince will condemn to death the men he ordered to do this deed. Shameful.

 

[moon]

Moon -

To you, what is the meaning of the word ... "national" ... in the context of the (above) mandate?

A ' national home ' means a home for a nation. ' Nation ' and ' state ' are not the same thing, of course. The ' national home ' intended was Israel. Israel is a nation state for Israelis. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish. Israelis have Israeli passports- they don't have Jewish passports. I can see where you're trying to take history- but it got written already without you.

 

[moon]

Yep ... it wasn't the genocide that you pretend. The Jews are willing to share with those who wish to live in peace together.

Nonsense. You should acquaint yourself with the speeches and writing of the Zionist leadership before the European Jews invaded Palestine. It quite clear that the ethnic cleansing of Arabs was their intent. I'll post some for you if you like- but I guess you don't like.

The name of the Jewish State is Israel.

To repeat that it is a Jewish State would be superfluous.

There is no ' Jewish ' state. 25% of Israelis are not Jews. Millions of displaced Palestinians are waiting to go home.

 

[Bigdog]

A ' national home ' means a home for a nation. ' Nation ' and ' state ' are not the same thing, of course. The ' national home ' intended was Israel. Israel is a nation state for Israelis. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish. Israelis have Israeli passports- they don't have Jewish passports. I can see where you're trying to take history- but it got written already without you.

For the record, I think the U.N. disagrees with you.

 

[moon]

For the record, I think the U.N. disagrees with you.

Nah. Nobody recognizes Izrael as a ' Jewish ' state except neoZionist fanatics. You should take up your beef with President Truman. Once more for the history books;

 

[Bigdog]

Nah. Nobody recognizes Izrael as a ' Jewish ' state except neoZionist fanatics. You should take up your beef with President Truman. Once more for the history books;

To me, a "Jewish State" means ... a safe haven for Jews, ... a place they could have fled to, to avoid the Holocaust ... if the Brits hadn't dragged their feet for so long in fulfilling the mandate promise.

 

[Bigdog]

A ' national home ' means a home for a nation. ' Nation ' and ' state ' are not the same thing, of course. The ' national home ' intended was Israel. Israel is a nation state for Israelis. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish. Israelis have Israeli passports- they don't have Jewish passports. I can see where you're trying to take history- but it got written already without you.

"Jewish national home"

Why not just say "Jewish Home"? Why insert the word national? By the definition you imply, it would be superfluous.

 

[moon]

"Jewish national home"

Why not just say "Jewish Home"? Why insert the word national? By the definition you imply, it would be superfluous.

Because it implies permanence- rightly or wrongly.

 

[Bigdog]

Because it implies permanence- rightly or wrongly.

"Home" implies permanent residence. The word "national" would be superfluous, still.