US citizen gunned down by American Government in Yemen

Yurt said:
it is implied, but not specific. all it says is "criminal case". that does not spell out that it only applies in courtrooms. can the cops keep you detained based upon self incrimination?
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"Self incrimination" is not anywheres in the Constitution so I don't see the relevance of the question posed. It says "witness in a criminal case" which is quite specific in my mind.

You seem to be trying to stretch the definition of "case" beyond its obviously intended meaning.
 
Yurt said:
no. you can't invoke until you're on the stand in a criminal trial. it is inapplicable in civil trials.

edit: you don't actually have to be on the stand
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My understanding is that you can invoke it in a civil trial if the question concerns potentially criminal activity that could give rise to criminal prosecution.
 
Obama fucked the dog on this.

This is why, when asked, I said that Obama's biggest mistake was not prosecuting the Bush Administration for war crimes.
The reason being, because it leaves the door open for future abuses.

You can all laugh your merry little heads off about this, since it was just a muslim terrorist in a foriegn country who was killed with no due process, BY OUR GOVERNMENT, but rest assured, when you give these bastards an inch, they take a mile.

We will and are certainly losing other freedoms even as we inanely debate this mans death. One day the freedom lost may well be your freedom.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I don't think I"ve ever conspired to attack the US, the Armed Forces of the US, or any of it's allies.
Kind of puts things back into a perspective; HUH!! :)
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According to whom? Leaving the determination as to whom is a legitimate target for killing in the hands of the president means that tomorrow the president could declare you a conspirator and order your assassination and what redress would you have?

And you don't sound too sure of yourself. You "don't think" you've conspired to attack the US. I know for pretty damn certain I haven't.
 
Return of Dune said:
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Since he's dead, it looks like we saved the cost of the trial. :)
If it were your son, and you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was innocent, would you be so smug?
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So you admit that your only defense is "neener-neener-neener".
Got it. :)
 
Return of Dune said:
Obama fucked the dog on this.

This is why, when asked, I said that Obama's biggest mistake was not prosecuting the Bush Administration for war crimes.
The reason being, because it leaves the door open for future abuses.

You can all laugh your merry little heads off about this, since it was just a muslim terrorist in a foriegn country who was killed with no due process, BY OUR GOVERNMENT, but rest assured, when you give these bastards an inch, they take a mile.

We will and are certainly losing other freedoms even as we inanely debate this mans death. One day the freedom lost may well be your freedom.
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are you willing to advocate obama be tried for war crimes?

until then.....grain of salt.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Let me know when you're off of the "If" rant and back to reality. :)

If wishes were horses, beggers would ride.
If turnips were watches, I'd wear one at my side.
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It is highly likely that during your lifetime you will regret the loss of freedom which has occured since your best butt buddy, GWB was elected.
 
Return of Dune said:
Yes, it puts into perspective that you are a simpleton with no imagination.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA
You toss something into the exchange, that has no bearing on the discussion, and then when you don't achieve the desired result; you begin to weep.

HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
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David St. Hubbins said:
According to whom? Leaving the determination as to whom is a legitimate target for killing in the hands of the president means that tomorrow the president could declare you a conspirator and order your assassination and what redress would you have?

And you don't sound too sure of yourself. You "don't think" you've conspired to attack the US. I know for pretty damn certain I haven't.
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If you believe you have some evidence that would show that I've done as the dead terrorist has done, or that the charges against him were manufactured, then bring it on.
Until then; it's just an attempt to play connect the dots and trying to make a rabbit look like a cat, by forgetting to include the ears. :)
 
David St. Hubbins said:
"Self incrimination" is not anywheres in the Constitution so I don't see the relevance of the question posed. It says "witness in a criminal case" which is quite specific in my mind.

You seem to be trying to stretch the definition of "case" beyond its obviously intended meaning.
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nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself

you can split hairs pretty good nigel. i'll give you that. but a case is not always conducted in a courtroom. it starts on the streets, questions, arrest, custodial arrest...and so forth. you can be a witness against yourself in an interrogation room. however, we know that is not the case because we look beyond the specific language.

i win, i split the hair finer you...i'm to a fire in five
 
Yurt said:
are you willing to advocate obama be tried for war crimes?

until then.....grain of salt.
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If they can justify violating the 5th ammendment, actualy killing american citizens without trial, then how difficult is it to bypass other rights as well.
I would totaly support the prosecution of all involved in this illegal "war" and complimentry actions if it would reverse the decline of our freedoms.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
HA HA HA HA HA HA
You toss something into the exchange, that has no bearing on the discussion, and hten when you don't achieve the desired result; you begin to weep.

HA HA HA HA HA HA
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I may be weeping but I can stop. You can never stop being simple.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
If you believe you have some evidence that would show that I've done as the dead terrorist has done, or that the charges against him were manufactured, then bring it on.
Until then; it's just an attempt to play connect the dots and trying to make a rabbit look like a cat, by forgetting to include the ears. :)
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Who needs evidence?
 
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