Unvaccinated Causing New Surge in Daily Death Toll

martin said:
Didn't say the numbers "haven't been fiddled with". I don't have the means to know and neither, for your "amusement", do you, but I doubt they have been fiddled with to the extent of disproving the efficacy of the vaccine and I would be surprised if they have been fiddled with in any serious way at all. "All the interests involved" equals too many eyes on the collection and reporting of data for that to have a meaningful chance of happening. There is also more good will in the people involved than our unhappy conspiracy fanatics think possible. Anyway, suspecting the numbers aren't real isn't any kind of an argument.
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I admire your faith in government and institutions lol.
 
Breakthrough cases that do not require hospitalization are irrelevant. But that does not change the fact that they are less common than infections in vaccinated people. Next?
 
Concart said:
Breakthrough cases that do not require hospitalization are irrelevant. But that does not change the fact that they are less common than infections in vaccinated people. Next?
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positive PCR tests are then irrelevant, non-vaxxed are irrelevant unless hospitalized as well
 
dukkha said:
One way or another and 7 ways from Sunday the delta variant has turned out to be more virulent AND infectious
That's unusual - virus get more infectious to continue to exist, but the immune system generally handles variants better then the alpha. The viral loading is much worse with delta as well

Obviously the vaxxes are really no more then prophylactic - they have their place but therapeutics and boosting your immune system are just as important
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You don’t accept scientific findings


So fuck off
 
martin said:
The above reply is either intellectually dishonest or intellectually vacant. It's conspiratorially obsessive argument, full of certainty, is that breakthrough cases are so numerous as to render vaccines useless. For evidence it relies entirely on published statements from health departments that not all breakthrough cases are being individually reported. In other words, not evidence of numbers but suspicion about the reason for the absence of complete numbers and from that suspicion a fixed conclusion of bad faith and useless vaccine. This even though the reporting states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and gives a data precise example of this rarity.

A tactic like the OP's in a real debate would get you laughed off the stage but such is the fantasy land of True Believers.
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Exactly. Self declared victories are funny, but if an actual debate judge was scoring these arguments, Tachiliberal would be laughed off the stage. He posts links that he doesn't understand, and claims they say something that they don't. When pressed, he dismisses the question by attacking the poster. Like his claim that the vaccines aren't vaccines because they use gene therapy. That's like saying a car is not a car because it uses an electric engine. His arguments are simplistic, stupid and laced with adhoms. He is a joke.
 
This message is hidden because dukkha is on your ignore list.

Go fuck yourself, Russian nesting sock.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, they have us locked into Max Vax—for better or worse.

In a more perfect world they would overhaul the public health bureaucracy starting with Fauci. They are no better than our foreign policy geniuses and top brass in the military. But there’s no accountability. If Fauci and the rest don’t own the COVID response after nearly two years into this, who does?

Trump did OWS and got the vax rolling but it seems like after that the innovative thinking ground to a halt. Now it’s masks, vax, masks, vax.

And good point with Delta. Though I think viruses tend toward less virulence over time but I don’t think it’s etched in stone. Lord willing, after Delta COVID will go back to playing by the rules.
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yes. not etched in stone. I heard something about the gene sequencing enables the spike..the problem with interviews is that nobody really speaks specific and clearly.
But this guy was mentioning the sequences engineered to be super infectious ( by GoF research)
and there is no question is was lab made -which means Wuhan
Yet Biden cant seem to find his balls and say so
 
martin said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Oh I'm quite fit, Marty. YOU, however, seem to be coming down with a case of willful ignorance that could develop into full blown stupidity.

Case in point, you isolate one paragraph from the Hill article, yet avoid/dismiss/non-comprehend others, like the following:

... Due to inconsistent tracking and underreported asymptomatic breakthroughs, health experts caution that the breakthrough data publicly available is likely incomplete.

... After the Boston Herald used a Freedom of Information Act request to report there had been 3,907 infections and 71 deaths in fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents, Sen. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) urged the CDC to monitor all of these cases. Previously, the Department of Public Health had disclosed data on breakthrough cases only once, in a memo on the state website.

... In a July 22 letter to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, Markey asked why the agency announced “that it would no longer require states to report information to the CDC on breakthrough cases that do not require hospitalization,” and asked which states are still collecting data on such cases.I]

the sheer convoluted "logic" of your second paragraph is a perfect example of the problem at hand...the CDC, NIH, FDA and the MSM along with involved pharma companies are doing a full court press of "selected" PR that avoids the little inconsistencies that gives one pause as to the validity of their claims...let alone the unbelievable gaul to make "all is well" statements when you have PROOF that their data is incomplete by non-compliance! But folk are scared, and they need something to give them a feeling of hope and security. Thus, we have folk like you suspending disbelief and parroting nonsense. And, let's not forget the hefty profit margins of all pharmaceutical companies involved, much less all those nice little speaking fees Fauci gets.

Oh, and I know you didn't mentioned Dr. Mullis....mindless parrots like you seldom do. It's like this, Marty: the PCR test and it's cousin the RT-PCR are not designed to detect viral infections in people....they never were. This is why you can go a quick google search and see all types of peer reviewed papers explaining how to compensate for false positives and negatives to arrive at the BEST ESTIMATE as to infection/non-infection. Remember, these tests are be the basis for determining infection rates, hospitalizations and "treatment". If they are inaccurate, then the entire system is out of whack. But don't take my word for it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqQIY7J0fQ

this is man who won the nobel peace prize for inventing the PCR test. Despite the time frame and disease, one could easily substitute Covid here and get the same result. Now, please don't be more foolish in trying to deny the importance of this, because I tire of humiliating wonks pushing questionable medical procedures.
So although one can try to take comfort in the low numbers on limited time samples, you have contradictions regarding rises in cases, inability to bet accurate readings from all 50 states, a CDC mandate that is tossing out a mandate that would increase accurate reporting,
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The above reply is either intellectually dishonest or intellectually vacant. It's conspiratorially obsessive argument, full of certainty, is that breakthrough cases are so numerous as to render vaccines useless. For evidence it relies entirely on published statements from health departments that not all breakthrough cases are being individually reported. In other words, not evidence of numbers but suspicion about the reason for the absence of complete numbers and from that suspicion a fixed conclusion of bad faith and useless vaccine. This even though the reporting states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and gives a data precise example of this rarity.

A tactic like the OP's in a real debate would get you laughed off the stage but such is the fantasy land of True Believers.
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1. Let's see if you can logically and factually prove your first sentence.
2. No conspiracy, but based on facts AS SUPPLIED BY THE CDC MANDATES AND ACTIONS, AND THE REPORTING FROM VARIOUS STATES, as the article details.
3. If not health departments, then who? And if there is a LACK of accurate reporting on ALL cases, does that not invalidate the conclusions? Logic, my friend...something that should have been taught in high school.
4. You're babbling, see numbers 2 and 3. You and the status quo you support are trying to force a conclusion based on admitted lack of evidence....that just doesn't make horse sense. You wouldn't buy a car if the dealer told you that it wasn't fully inspected by traditional standards but the company concludes the car is sound based on what they have. Yet that is PRECISELY what the status quo and it's flunkies (you) are telling people to do regarding Covid "vaccines" and all pertaining factors. Also, you repeat your "rare" claim....I addressed that in the previous post, showing that claim is dubious given the manner of which the conclusion was reached.

5. Your last sentence must be for the man you see in the mirror and like minded folk, because facts and logic are like sunlight to a vampire for you....you avoid what you don't like.
6. Again, you foolishly try to ignore the paramount significance of the late Dr. Mullis' statement. Typical intellectual cowardice for folk of your mindset.

Carry on.
 
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