Until our leaders admit the true nature of Islamic extremes, we will never defeat it

Certainly in modern times, Muslims win hands down when it comes to killing Muslims.
You can say that too about western culture. Look how the western European colonialism imploded and caused western Europeans to descend into barbaric butchery in two horrific wars that cast them down from great world powers to second world status where they remain to this day.
 
There is no moderating voice in Islam. The US has a moderate Muslim population, and that can ONLY be credited to immediate proximity to western culture. Moderate Muslims like the people who live in Dearborne would be killed in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. They would not be seen as moderate, they would be seen heretics. Moderate Muslims in the middle east are those that believe in quickly cutting the heads off captives rather than torturing them and parading them on TV.
You don't know any Muslims do you Soc?
 
Just a couple of clarifications.

1) Islam has been at war with the West long before 9/11
3) Years of constant political correctness keeps the Brits from facing their reality. It unfortunately will most probably be too late when they do
4) Some lefties share the same anti western hatred that muslims do, so they are simpatico

Britain had a good run, but like all nations it is doomed to fail. Britain lost its way after WWII. If it makes you feel any better the US is close on their heels.
You see what I mean Tom?
 
There are lots of third world countries out there that aren't resorting to terrorism. Your premise is flawed. Of course like all political correct lefties, you will go out of your way to see the obvious. You like to see the poor Muslimes as "underdogs" so you can't see them for who and what they are. That is why you cheer the Arabs who attack Israel on a constant basis. You even buy into their propaganda that they are "Palestinian" when there is no such nationality. They are Arabs who have not been allowed back to Jordan etc.

Don't worry when the Caliphate comes, I am sure they will spare you :)
Yea, yea, yea....kill brown people....we get it. Now go back to your trailer park. Rational adults are trying to have a conversation here.
 
Melanie Phillips used to a left wing writer on the Guardian until she could no longer agree with much of its agenda. AS she quite rightly points out Islam has never gone through a Reformation like Christianity and is still stuck in the eye for eye era.

Ever since the spectre of Islamic terrorism in the West first manifested itself, Britain has had its head stuck firmly in the sand. After both 9/11 and the 7/7 London transport bombings, the Labour government promised to take measures to defend the country against further such attacks. It defined the problem, however, merely as terrorism, failing to understand that the real issue was the extremist ideas which led to such violence.

Accordingly, it poured money into Muslim community groups, many of which turned out to be dangerously extreme. When David Cameron came to power, his Government raised hopes of a more realistic approach when it pledged to counter extremist ideas rather than just violence. This approach, too, has failed. The Government still has no coherent strategy for countering Islamist radicalisation.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...slamic-extremism-defeat-it.html#ixzz2UUhZ5ZIw

Until our leaders learn that the so-called 'war on terror' is a miserable failure, terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.

Until our leaders learn that they cannot run around the world mass-murdering innocent people as they did in Iraq and Libya, we will deserve the blowback we get, and terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.

Until western citizens learn that that western governments profit from war, destruction, and mass-murder, we will deserve the blowback we get, and terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.
 
Until our leaders learn that the so-called 'war on terror' is a miserable failure, terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.

Until our leaders learn that they cannot run around the world mass-murdering innocent people as they did in Iraq and Libya, we will deserve the blowback we get, and terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.

Until western citizens learn that that western governments profit from war, destruction, and mass-murder, we will deserve the blowback we get, and terrorism and Islamic extremists will remain.
....and until ME people get off their asses and revolt for reforms to their existing social structures where a handful of oligarchs/nobility own everything and most eveyone else lives in poverty than extremism, terrorism and blow back towards the west will continue.

The west is by no means innocent but you're giving a pass to the people of the ME and that's a big mistake. The wests relations whith the ME could be pristine, pure and completely ultruistic towards the ME and we would still be the objects of resentment and extremism due to the ME existing midevil fuedal social structures.
 
....and until ME people get off their asses and revolt for reforms to their existing social structures where a handful of oligarchs/nobility own everything and most eveyone else lives in poverty than extremism, terrorism and blow back towards the west will continue.

The west is by no means innocent but you're giving a pass to the people of the ME and that's a big mistake. The wests relations whith the ME could be pristine, pure and completely ultruistic towards the ME and we would still be the objects of resentment and extremism due to the ME existing midevil fuedal social structures.

I'm not giving a pass to anyone .. but it isn't Islamists invading and destroying oil-rich nations for resources .. or western nations .. while mass-murdering countless people all over the world.

As fucked as some societies may be, it is incumbent upon the people of those societies to alter that course through whatever means necessary .. just as it was incumbent upon Americans to right to course of our own fucked up society that denied its citizens basic human rights.
 
If we want to talk about extremists .. we should be looking in the mirror.

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I think you (err the author) are looking at the wrong source for modernization to occur in third world nations in the ME. I think before any of that occurs they must revolt against the feudal social structuret that prevents their modenization. Will some sort of Islamic reformation be part of that? I think that's inevitable but that effect and not the cause of a revolt to change their social structures. The same is true in SE Asia, though I agree there is an expanding middle class in these nations and that the growing middle classes may eventually force a change in their existing social structures I think my observation is correct that if you scratch the surface of modernity they are still very much a feudal society ruled by a handful of oligarch who only care about protecting their priveleges and are not concerned about the best interest of the masses.

I think you should go over and get the party started. Take some of your lib friends with you. Let me know how it works out for ya
 
Ever hear of Barbary Pirates? Who did we invade or "conquer" to get that little party started?

Case closed. Your liberal guilt fest blinds you from the truth

Iraq.

How many innocent muslims/people did we mass-murder in that horror show?

Just slaughtered them because we could.
 
Where is the New Testament version of the Koran?

Its called the Medinan Surahs. Abbrogates the more peaceful, tolerant Meccan Surahs. Christianity had the text of the bible to refute the legitimacy of the divine rule of monarchs. On the otherhand Islam has the text of the Koran to demonstrate the LEGITIMACY of the Islamic Caliphates that governed from 632 to the 1920s.
 
Iraq.

How many innocent muslims/people did we mass-murder in that horror show?

Just slaughtered them because we could.

I think it is simplistic in the extreme to take the sum total of muslim terrorism and distill it into Iraq. It completely absolves them of their past. As I said, history is littered with muslim terrorism going back well before Iraq. Those are just facts.

Was Iraq a travesty? Yup.

Iraq is used as an excuse to hide their larger goals. it is used to guilt the gullible into looking the other way when they commit their heinous acts and it is working
 
We just slaughtered them like sheep, destroyed their infrastructure and society .. then acted as if nothing had happened.

Why oh why do muslims hate us?

Stupid

infastructure in Iraq is in better shape than it was before we invaded. And the 9/11 attackers were Saudi and Egyptian. Weve never invaded their countries.
 
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