Universal Healthcare Has ALREADY Failed....even in Liberal leaning states

KingCondanomation

KingCondanomation

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Lots of people love universal healthcare in polling...until the bill comes in and they realize just how much more expensive and noticeable healthcare is in taxes.
Even in uber-Liberal (and well-off) Hawaii, they couldn't keep it:
“Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched. Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.”
http://www.physorg.com/news143439214.html

It also illustrates that once government offers it, more people try and get on it even if they can afford elsewhere easily. Government dependence only grows.

Be WARNED Liberals, if even Liberal Hawaii couldn't stomach it, there is no way in hell you will survive in power nationally if you try and pass it. Not once the bills comes in and masses of people realize "free" really means pay through the ass in crippling taxes and debt.

Instead we need a positive move to undo the move to more government in healthcare, repealing the badly named "Patients Rights Act" and reducing red tape paperwork and allowing more competition between providers in different states. :)
 
KingCondanomation said:
Lots of people love universal healthcare in polling...until the bill comes in and they realize just how much more expensive and noticeable healthcare is in taxes.
Even in uber-Liberal (and well-off) Hawaii, they couldn't keep it:
“Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched. Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.”
http://www.physorg.com/news143439214.html

It also illustrates that once government offers it, more people try and get on it even if they can afford elsewhere easily. Government dependence only grows.

Be WARNED Liberals, if even Liberal Hawaii couldn't stomach it, there is no way in hell you will survive in power nationally if you try and pass it. Not once the bills comes in and masses of people realize "free" really means pay through the ass in crippling taxes and debt.

Instead we need a positive move to undo the move to more government in healthcare, repealing the badly named "Patients Rights Act" and reducing red tape paperwork and allowing more competition between providers in different states. :)
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You're an idiot.
 
Solitary said:
King, please tell me what part of the Patients Rights Act is poorly named?

Here, I'll show you where you can go actually READ the PRA.

http://waml.haifa.ac.il/index/reference/legislation/israel/israel1.htm
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I don't know if I'm not getting a joke or something, but why did you post a link to the Israeli government's ministry of health?

From the link you posted:

The Right to Medical Care

3. (a) Every person in need of medical care is entitled to receive it in accordance with all laws and regulations and the conditions and arrangements obraining at any given time in the Israeli health care system.
 
ironhead said:
I don't know if I'm not getting a joke or something, but why did you post a link to the Israeli government's ministry of health?

From the link you posted:

The Right to Medical Care

3. (a) Every person in need of medical care is entitled to receive it in accordance with all laws and regulations and the conditions and arrangements obraining at any given time in the Israeli health care system.
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No, you didn't miss a joke. Wrong link. My mistake.

Thanks WM.
 
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Solitary said:
King, please tell me what part of the Patients Rights Act is poorly named?

Here, I'll show you where you can go actually READ the PRA.

http://waml.haifa.ac.il/index/reference/legislation/israel/israel1.htm
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Are you serious? I read it 10 years ago when it came out. The noble goal was to eliminate substandard care. What it really did was now instead of poorer ok healthcare, many have none at all. Meanwhile, trial lawyers (who displaced unions as the Dems top group donor in the 90's) reap more income from ease of ability to sue while malpractice insurance soared and pushed many doctors out of business further weakening the system.

Would you (or anyone here) argue that since the Patients Rights Act was passed healthcare has improved?

Please, you are supposed to be an economic Conservative, it's had its time and the system has gotten worse, it failed and needs to be repealed so we can move to less government in healthcare and allow healthcare providers to spend more time on patients rather than paperwork while keeping the cost lower and allowing more choice.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Are you serious? I read it 10 years ago when it came out. The noble goal was to eliminate substandard care. What it really did was now instead of poorer ok healthcare, many have none at all. Meanwhile, trial lawyers (who displaced unions as the Dems top group donor in the 90's) reap more income from ease of ability to sue while malpractice insurance soared and pushed many doctors out of business further weakening the system.

Would you (or anyone here) argue that since the Patients Rights Act was passed healthcare has improved?

Please, you are supposed to be an economic Conservative, it's had its time and the system has gotten worse, it failed and needs to be repealed so we can move to less government in healthcare and allow healthcare providers to spend more time on patients rather than paperwork while keeping the cost lower and allowing more choice.
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You said "...the badly named "Patients Rights Act"", so what was it in the patients rights act was not helpful for the patients rights??

Tell us what the bill failed to do? It was not designed to control costs.

You think removing those rights will help??

You think the lousy care given by our "greatest medical system on earth" will improve by repealing this bill??

The idea that the system didn't get better isn't much proof. The Drs get worse and people are all too happy to allow Drs to keep practicing after they kill people.
 
ib1yysguy said:
It's worked very well in Mass.
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Well by what measure of judgment?
It's not even real universal healthcare there anyway, they have just made a law forcing people to be insured.

I'm glad you brought up Mass, because why with the supposed healthcare crisis are people not flocking there for gov health insurance? Instead people are leaving the state and it is losing people every year because of the high taxes necessary for it.
The people's judgement by their flight is that is a failure.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Well by what measure of judgment?
It's not even real universal healthcare there anyway, they have just made a law forcing people to be insured.

I'm glad you brought up Mass, because why with the supposed healthcare crisis are people not flocking there for gov health insurance? Instead people are leaving the state and it is losing people every year because of the high taxes necessary for it.
The people's judgement by their flight is that is a failure.
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You making an assumption that (a) "people" have the ability to relocate just for better health care. (b) That because of failure in various other financial areas for the state of Mass. is synonymous with it's health care.

In both cases, your assumption would be wrong.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Lots of people love universal healthcare in polling...until the bill comes in and they realize just how much more expensive and noticeable healthcare is in taxes.
Even in uber-Liberal (and well-off) Hawaii, they couldn't keep it:
“Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched. Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.”
http://www.physorg.com/news143439214.html

It also illustrates that once government offers it, more people try and get on it even if they can afford elsewhere easily. Government dependence only grows.

Be WARNED Liberals, if even Liberal Hawaii couldn't stomach it, there is no way in hell you will survive in power nationally if you try and pass it. Not once the bills comes in and masses of people realize "free" really means pay through the ass in crippling taxes and debt.

Instead we need a positive move to undo the move to more government in healthcare, repealing the badly named "Patients Rights Act" and reducing red tape paperwork and allowing more competition between providers in different states. :)
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Idjit, every state is facing budget shortfalls. Even the conservative ones. It has something somehow to do with a recession.

HI has at least a couple of sides. The tourist side and then those who labor in the service industry catering to tourists, which is a lower standard of living.
 
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How do you explain the success of the german health care system? I lived there in the late 80's early 90's and they did it at HALF the price per capita as we were doing it. Why is that?
 
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