union as a civil right

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i hope that this works


Unions frame bargaining as civil rights issue​

Associated Press/AP Online


By SAM HANANEL WASHINGTON - Labor unions at the heart of a burning national disagreement over the cost of public employees want to frame the debate as a civil rights issue, an effort that may draw more sympathy to public workers being blamed for busting state budgets with generous pensions.

As part of that strategy, unions are planning rallies across the country on April 4 - the anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination. Union officials want the observances in dozens of cities to remind Americans that King was supporting striking sanitation workers in Memphis, Tenn., the night he was shot.

By portraying collective bargaining as a human rights issue, union officials hope the rallies can help fuel a backlash against Republicans in Wisconsin and other states trying to curb collective bargaining rights for public employees.

"This is a fight for workers, this is a fight for the middle class, this is a fight to try to stave off the shift in power and wealth that is starting to become gross," said Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters.

The planned rallies on the 43rd anniversary of King's death are part of a coordinated strategy by labor leaders to ride the momentum of pro-union demonstrations and national polls showing most Americans support collective bargaining rights as Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and other GOP leaders in states fight to reduce or strip those benefits.

Walker has argued that collective bargaining is a budget issue. He says the bill the state Legislature passed Thursday stripping most collective bargaining benefits will give local governments flexibility in making budget cuts needed to close the state's $3.6 billion deficit. He is expected to sign it soon.

"That's something people forget about Dr. King," said Liz Shuler, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO, the nation's largest labor federation. "We all know about his work in the civil rights movement, but he was also a workers' rights advocate."

It's also another signal that labor leaders are trying to broaden the coalition of groups speaking out against efforts to limit collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. Unions are coordinating the rallies with the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights and other civil rights, religious and progressive groups.

"Dr. King lost his life struggling to help sanitation workers - public sector employees - achieve their goals for a dignified existence as workers," said Wade Henderson, president of the Leadership Conference. "We think that's an extraordinary backdrop in which to frame the debate over what's taking place in the country today."

When King traveled to Memphis in 1968, he was lending support to more than 1,100 black sanitation workers who were on strike seeking better working conditions, higher wages and benefits, and union recognition.

Daniel Walkowitz, a labor historian at New York University, said the gesture was typical of King's later years, in which the targets of his activism were less often the legal barriers to civil rights for blacks. More often, King was focused on lack of employment and educational opportunities for African-Americans.

"Tying the rallies to King is an interesting strategy because it does draw upon King's understanding that the problems of labor were problems of civil rights," Walkowitz said.

Walker argues that the sweeping step against collective bargaining is necessary to balance the budget not only over the next two years but into the future. He said he wouldn't compromise on the issue or on anything that saves the state money.

But union leaders see it as a fight for middle class rights. Wisconsin unions had agreed to cuts in pension and health benefits as long as they could keep collective bargaining rights. Labor leaders say Walker's refusal to compromise shows he wants to leave unions toothless and cripple their political clout.

While unions are on the verge of losing power in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states, union leaders believe they are winning the war of public opinion and pulling in broader support.

"The movement is bigger than just the labor movement," United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard said. "What we're seeing is an awakening about the importance of collective bargaining."

Labor leaders already have pledged to pour more than $30 million into a push to stop legislation in dozens of states that seeks to limit bargaining rights of public worker unions or otherwise curb union power. Union officials are also helping mobilize demonstrations in state capitols and spending money on recall campaigns against GOP officials who support efforts to curb union rights.

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unions are opposed to open shop rules......is that a civil right?.....

union rank and file generally votes 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans.....political contributions from mandatory union dues is spent 93/7 in favor of Democrats.....is that a civil right?......

unions are pressing for an end to secret ballots on union formation.....is that a civil right?
 
I would be happy to go along with teachers having a union. As soon as they throw out tenure as a process of simply being there for so many years.
 
The ability to form unions was recognized as a basic human right by the U.N. in 1948.

PMP drools as usual.
 
The ability to form unions was recognized as a basic human right by the U.N. in 1948.

PMP drools as usual.

apparently you slipped on my drool and in your flailing, hit the "submit" button before you had a chance to answer any of my questions......I apologize for not putting one of those "Wet Floor" pylons out......now that your sitting on the floor and can't slip again, perhaps you could try answering......
 
apparently you slipped on my drool and in your flailing, hit the "submit" button before you had a chance to answer any of my questions......I apologize for not putting one of those "Wet Floor" pylons out......now that your sitting on the floor and can't slip again, perhaps you could try answering......

Guess you missed my point. You didn't ask questions, you drooled. Get it this time?
 
Guess you missed my point. You didn't ask questions, you drooled. Get it this time?

Post #3 is full of questions.

"unions are opposed to open shop rules......is that a civil right?.....

union rank and file generally votes 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans.....political contributions from mandatory union dues is spent 93/7 in favor of Democrats.....is that a civil right?......

unions are pressing for an end to secret ballots on union formation.....is that a civil right?"



Now, did you get it this time?
 
The only way that "it is a right of association" works is if I have the right to tell them to go jump in it 100%, not even one dime of mine should go to them, if I get a job at a union shop. That "civil rights" thing is a knife that cuts in both directions.

I don't think it will work though, because the unions have gotten laws passed that force people to join them if they want to be employed at places where they have power. Also, Federal Employees have already been through this.
 
It isn't any wonder that unions are pretty much universally outlawed under oppressive, dictatorial regimes.
Who here is saying they should be outlawed? I find it interesting that FDR was against public unions. Was he "dictatorial"?

I also wonder if you think the Soviet Union was totalitarian?
 
It isn't any wonder that unions are pretty much universally outlawed under oppressive, dictatorial regimes.
So let's really look into this one. (Who you listening to? Sherrod Brown?)

Hitler, didn't outlaw unions. (Even if Sherrod Brown thinks he did, he really didn't. In fact they became more powerful).

Stalin, not only didn't outlaw them, forced everybody into one. At the end of the Soviet Union there were 32 large unions separated by occupation and every single person was in one of them. (Again Sherrod Brown was wrong).

So. "All the dictatorial regimes" didn't seem to actually stop unions at all.... Interesting.

I wonder if they may have used them as a way to control people? Hmmm?
 
Who here is saying they should be outlawed? I find it interesting that FDR was against public unions. Was he "dictatorial"?

I also wonder if you think the Soviet Union was totalitarian?

The only damn reason they are screeching is because it's Republicans who shine the bright light of reality on the stranglehold many unions have on States. If this were a Democrat, which it will not be since 97% of union dues feed the Democratic Party and their causes, but if it were, they would be singing their praises from the mountain tops.

This is another divisive means the Democrats will use to incite, infuse, and undermine what the very people wanted when they cast their votes in November. The stranglehold they have on the media and the non-stop hysteria they are manufacturing have scared just enough people and the mindless trolls just follow with their blank stares and robotic moves doing exactly what the people in control want. Blithely follow.

The unmitigated fact of the matter is the United States is in dire straits. Astronomical steps will need to be taken if there is any hope of recovery. State after state across the nation teeter on the brink of bankruptcy and the Dems are furiously raising as much dust as they can to obfuscate the truth because in the end they want control and at any cost, up to and including lying.

There's a hole in the bucket Mariah.
 
Who here is saying they should be outlawed? I find it interesting that FDR was against public unions. Was he "dictatorial"?

He wasn't against public unions. In fact, he said that they served a good and useful purpose, but he was of the view that they should not enjoy all of the rights that private sector trade unions enjoy.


I also wonder if you think the Soviet Union was totalitarian?

Yes, it was. Stalin outlawed trade unions for a period. They were, however, reinstated and co-opted by the government and served as arms of the government apparatus, much like they do today in China.

When independent trade unions were created, the government tried to crush them (see the Polish Solidarity movement). Indeed the success of the Solidarity movement demonstrates precisely why totalitarian regimes outlaw trade unionism.
 
i hope that this works


Unions frame bargaining as civil rights issue​

Associated Press/AP Online


By SAM HANANEL WASHINGTON - Labor unions at the heart of a burning national disagreement over the cost of public employees want to frame the debate as a civil rights issue, an effort that may draw more sympathy to public workers being blamed for busting state budgets with generous pensions.

As part of that strategy, unions are planning rallies across the country on April 4 - the anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination. Union officials want the observances in dozens of cities to remind Americans that King was supporting striking sanitation workers in Memphis, Tenn., the night he was shot.

By portraying collective bargaining as a human rights issue, union officials hope the rallies can help fuel a backlash against Republicans in Wisconsin and other states trying to curb collective bargaining rights for public employees.

"This is a fight for workers, this is a fight for the middle class, this is a fight to try to stave off the shift in power and wealth that is starting to become gross," said Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters.

The planned rallies on the 43rd anniversary of King's death are part of a coordinated strategy by labor leaders to ride the momentum of pro-union demonstrations and national polls showing most Americans support collective bargaining rights as Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and other GOP leaders in states fight to reduce or strip those benefits.

Walker has argued that collective bargaining is a budget issue. He says the bill the state Legislature passed Thursday stripping most collective bargaining benefits will give local governments flexibility in making budget cuts needed to close the state's $3.6 billion deficit. He is expected to sign it soon.

"That's something people forget about Dr. King," said Liz Shuler, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO, the nation's largest labor federation. "We all know about his work in the civil rights movement, but he was also a workers' rights advocate."

It's also another signal that labor leaders are trying to broaden the coalition of groups speaking out against efforts to limit collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. Unions are coordinating the rallies with the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights and other civil rights, religious and progressive groups.

"Dr. King lost his life struggling to help sanitation workers - public sector employees - achieve their goals for a dignified existence as workers," said Wade Henderson, president of the Leadership Conference. "We think that's an extraordinary backdrop in which to frame the debate over what's taking place in the country today."

When King traveled to Memphis in 1968, he was lending support to more than 1,100 black sanitation workers who were on strike seeking better working conditions, higher wages and benefits, and union recognition.

Daniel Walkowitz, a labor historian at New York University, said the gesture was typical of King's later years, in which the targets of his activism were less often the legal barriers to civil rights for blacks. More often, King was focused on lack of employment and educational opportunities for African-Americans.

"Tying the rallies to King is an interesting strategy because it does draw upon King's understanding that the problems of labor were problems of civil rights," Walkowitz said.

Walker argues that the sweeping step against collective bargaining is necessary to balance the budget not only over the next two years but into the future. He said he wouldn't compromise on the issue or on anything that saves the state money.

But union leaders see it as a fight for middle class rights. Wisconsin unions had agreed to cuts in pension and health benefits as long as they could keep collective bargaining rights. Labor leaders say Walker's refusal to compromise shows he wants to leave unions toothless and cripple their political clout.

While unions are on the verge of losing power in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states, union leaders believe they are winning the war of public opinion and pulling in broader support.

"The movement is bigger than just the labor movement," United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard said. "What we're seeing is an awakening about the importance of collective bargaining."

Labor leaders already have pledged to pour more than $30 million into a push to stop legislation in dozens of states that seeks to limit bargaining rights of public worker unions or otherwise curb union power. Union officials are also helping mobilize demonstrations in state capitols and spending money on recall campaigns against GOP officials who support efforts to curb union rights.

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I actually have no problem with them bargaining.

Just make sure they are bargaining with the right people.

The taxpayers.

Let them present there case for increased benefits or wage increases above the pace of inflation. Then have a public referendum on it.

Done.
 
He wasn't against public unions. In fact, he said that they served a good and useful purpose, but he was of the view that they should not enjoy all of the rights that private sector trade unions enjoy.
Sorry. I should have said he agreed with Walker that they should be limited in the the rights that private sector trade unions enjoy.



Yes, it was. Stalin outlawed trade unions for a period. They were, however, reinstated and co-opted by the government and served as arms of the government apparatus, much like they do today in China.

When independent trade unions were created, the government tried to crush them (see the Polish Solidarity movement). Indeed the success of the Solidarity movement demonstrates precisely why totalitarian regimes outlaw trade unionism.

No, Stalin didn't outlaw trade unions. There were two factions, one that believed that unions should be militarized, the other (the unions led by Alexander Shlyapnikov) that believed that unions should run the economy. Neither side outlawed unions, it just didn't happen. The unions got stronger under the Soviets and under Hitler. This was the Дискуссия о профсоюзах (pronounced deeskoosiya o profosoyuakh which means the Dispute about the unions).

Just saying "Stalin didn't like unions" flat isn't true. Nor is it true that Hitler was against unions. "All of the most dictatorial" regimes flat didn't outlaw unions. (Although Hitler did outlaw Freemasons).
 
And Nigel? Fvck you!

You sit here, day after day, spouting meaningless shit out your pie hole about how much you "think" you know and how much you "think" needs to be done to do it "your way" and that's about the length and breadth of it.

"Blah-blah-blah-blah-blah....whine, whine, whine, WHINE!!"


Why don't you try getting your ass off the computer and contribute something to let's even just say your j-o-b? You know, like an honest days work for an honest days pay??? Attempt to show you're made of something beside fetid hot air?

Concept I know Nigey, but as the saying goes: Money walks and bullshit talks, and you have the latter down to a fine science you big ol wussy-pussy.
 
I actually have no problem with them bargaining.

Just make sure they are bargaining with the right people.

The taxpayers.

Let them present there case for increased benefits or wage increases above the pace of inflation. Then have a public referendum on it.

Done.
This.
 
Many of the most dictatorial regimes used trade unions to exert a more direct control over people. It is quite the opposite of what people assume.
 
I would be happy to go along with teachers having a union. As soon as they throw out tenure as a process of simply being there for so many years.
Most of the school districts here no longer have tenure. I'm not opposed eliminating tenure at the secondary and elementary level but it serves a vital function at the college/university level.
 
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