Unindicted Co-conspirators

[Jarod]

the leading belief from legal experts is that this puts them on crystal clear notice.

'We will deal with Trump first and then come for you next. Pick your lane now. Do you want to be on the side of the US (US versus X) in the next indictment by cooperating or do you want to be on the defendant side and get the best deal you can?


You can bet each and every one of them is being called to a 'come to Jesus' talk by their defense lawyers saying 'you understand there may be space for only one or two deals and the rest WILL be prosecuted... now is the time to decide'.

Being All-In on Trump winning the election and pardoning them has to be an increasingly more tough bet to make.

That makes sense.

 

[Cypress]

At least they mouthed the words in those days. Now they don't even do that. They openly seek to let a traitor and liar take over the US government.

Ford pardoned Nixon in order to get past the issue. Was it a mistake? Probably since "turn about is fair play" and the Republicans joined the Democrats in letting Clinton go free on his impeachment.

National security makes strange bedfellows. I understand what Reagan was doing with Iran-Contra just like I understand what Obama was doing in running guns from Libya to Syria through Benghazi.

Me neither. It was a misguided venture to plant the US flag in the middle of Middle East oil country both for political reasons with a large dose of greed.

Integrity is a personal thing. I don't like Lynn Cheney's politics, but she showed remarkable integrity.

Pence showed integrity by refusing to go along with the MAGA coup.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

My thoughts on who might flip.

I start with the premise that Jack Smith will not be giving a total pass to any of these unnamed 6 co-conspirators and he will require some jail time in a plea. Lower level people might get a full walk but none of these will.

That suggests to me that none of the oldest ones flip as any jail time will be basically a life sentence for them, so they might as well stick with Trump and hope for a pardon, knowing they will not get one if they flip and Trump wins.


So:

- Rudy Giuliani - age 79 will not flip.
- Sidney Powell - age 68 probably won't flip. And then even in a Trump win he might not pardon her. lol.
- John Eastman - age 63 is on the 'fuck it.. lets gamble' border of flip or not if the sentence offered is small
- Kenneth Chesebro - age 62 is also on that 'border'
- Jeffrey Clark - age 56 is best chance to flip.


I do think age really matters whether you gamble All In on Trump becoming POTUS or not and you getting a walk. Rudy would see a deal of even two years as offering him little to nothing, as he would see those two years as the best he has left, and know old people come out jail far more aged.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories. But I wouldn't be surprised, either, if these treasonous pigs aren't cooking up some new scheme to make sure that their #TangerineTyrant "wins" in 2024.

 

[Concart]

Integrity is a personal thing. I don't like Lynn Cheney's politics, but she showed remarkable integrity.

Pence showed integrity by refusing to go along with the MAGA coup.

Cheney, yes. Pence, no. Pence does not deserve credit for saying no to Trump in private while he kisses his ass in public. That, IMHO, is cowardice, not integrity. Cheney was willing to lose her job over her position. Pence would never make such a sacrifice.

 

[Cypress]

Cheney, yes. Pence, no. Pence does not deserve credit for saying no to Trump in private while he kisses his ass in public. That, IMHO, is cowardice, not integrity. Cheney was willing to lose her job over her position. Pence would never make such a sacrifice.

I just think if Marjorie Taylor Green or Josh "haulin' ass" Hawley had been VP, January 6 might have turned out differently m

 

[Noking]

DON'T DO DRUGS!

Good point

 

[Concart]

I just think if Marjorie Taylor Green or Josh "haulin' ass" Hawley had been VP, January 6 might have turned out differently m

I agree, but that is a VERY low bar to clear. My position is that it does not take any level of integrity to NOT be a traitor to the country. Pence let Trump off the hook because he wanted someone else to do the dirty work. He could have come out, right then, an said 'The President pressured me to break the law, and he was told that he was asking me to break the law. THAT would have shown integrity. But he didn't. Instead he tried to avoid going on the record. That, in my mind, makes him complicit in all of this.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I just think if Marjorie Taylor Green or Josh "haulin' ass" Hawley had been VP, January 6 might have turned out differently m

Agreed. This is why I believe our Congressional reps, outside of public grandstanding, will both ask tough questions and enact safeguards to prevent that from happening.

 

[QP!]

I'm not much for conspiracy theories. But I wouldn't be surprised, either, if these treasonous pigs aren't cooking up some new scheme to make sure that their #TangerineTyrant "wins" in 2024.

Oh they have been.

In republican controlled swing States, they have been super busy since the loss in 2020, replacing all the people in the roles that stopped Trump the last time, with Trump derp true believers who will do whatever he asks. they also have been disempowering and taking away the check and balance power, where they can of other areas of gov't that could review and stop them.

The biggest blow they suffered was the SC rejecting (for now) the Independent Legislature theory which would have given them unchecked power to over turn elections without any one second guessing them.