Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Taichiliberal said:
Hey mastermind....why don't you do some honest research and find out WHO gave him his sentence, etc. Or are you some comfortable with your supposition and conjecture that you don't need reality?
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It doesn't matter who gave him what. Liberals and the ACLU are the ones who push for (and get) all kinds of relaxation of the punishments and restrictions on people like this. You are the ones who stand on your soap-box lecturing the rest of us about how it's not fair and everyone deserves a second chance, and a third, fourth... whatever. Just the other day, some pinhead was railing on and on about the "Three Strikes" laws, because they "unfairly" prosecuted people who didn't deserve it. It is YOUR Liberal, ACLU, Left-Wing, Feel-Good, Do-Goodism, which has caused this mental case to be on the streets in the first place, Conservatives would have probably fried the guy the first go around! They DAMN sure wouldn't have let him out on the streets!
 
Watermark said:
I disagree that he should be executed or put in an isolation unit. I think both are violations of human rights. However, I agree that he shouldn't ever be let out of prison.

And I think it's problematic to a democracy to ban hate speech. I am a full believer in free speech, and all the potentially negative parts of that. Who knows.
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There are limits to any freedom. You don't have a right to walk into a bar with a fully loaded AK 47. You don't have the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater. If a propagandist advocates violence and that violience does occur then they are an accomplise and should be prosecuted as one. If that violence was aggravated murder and the law of that state is capital punishment, then they should be executed too. Keep in mind some of the first people we executed after Nuremburg were the Nazi propgandist who advocated mass murder against Jews.
 
Dixie said:
It doesn't matter who gave him what. Liberals and the ACLU are the ones who push for (and get) all kinds of relaxation of the punishments and restrictions on people like this. You are the ones who stand on your soap-box lecturing the rest of us about how it's not fair and everyone deserves a second chance, and a third, fourth... whatever. Just the other day, some pinhead was railing on and on about the "Three Strikes" laws, because they "unfairly" prosecuted people who didn't deserve it. It is YOUR Liberal, ACLU, Left-Wing, Feel-Good, Do-Goodism, which has caused this mental case to be on the streets in the first place, Conservatives would have probably fried the guy the first go around! They DAMN sure wouldn't have let him out on the streets!
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Been listening to Joseph Goebbells again Dixie?
 
The zeitgeist of the times is similar to when Clinton won election. Power corrupts and the loss of power by the right wing conservatives has created an atmosphere where the most nonsensical speech is condoned under the blanket of free speech and partisanship.

Last night purposely I switched between Fox and MSNBC for contrast. If fear were a object, Fox would have no room for anything else. Constant exaggerated propaganda is their forte. One wonders why? What motivates an entire network to be so steeped in fear?

The conservatives who deny words are not responsible for a setting that creates this action are either lying to themselves or too dumb to understand the power of words.



"Civilization has to be defended against the individual, and its regulations, institutions, and commands are directed to that task." Sigmund Freud

"Civilized society is perpetually menaced with disintegration through this primary hostility of men towards one another." Sigmund Freud
 
Some white males are agitated that they are not equally protected under the law, and that it is considered a priority at most institutions that they are excluded more often.
 
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Really, if you think about it, whites should be executed to make room for more innately wiser people of color, who have more significant life experiences.

White people don't deserve to exist.
 
The OK City bombings were also inspired by The Turner Diaries.

Lets burn all the copies of that book so no one else will die in a bombing. And while we are at it lets burn any books that don't fit our political ideologies.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Hey mastermind....why don't you do some honest research and find out WHO gave him his sentence, etc. Or are you some comfortable with your supposition and conjecture that you don't need reality?
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Soon you will come to realize what an incredible waste of time talking to some of these idiots truly is.
 
Dixie said:
...And what fucking difference does this make to the left anyway? He just knocked off a few "Joo" lovers! Not like THAT is a big deal to you, is it? Most of you are fine and dandy with Akmandenijahd building nukes and exterminating ALL the Jews, doesn't bother you in the least, you probably figure the world will be a much better place without all them damn Jews!

This nut's viewpoint was a helluva lot closer to some of the ANTI-JEWISH ranting I hear from the left, than anything the Conservatives advocate.
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Israel has nukes. They don't need to worry because of what you claim Iran is doing.

"After years of ignoring the Israeli nuclear program—which was denounced in 1986 by former nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu—the United States' Department of Defense has acknowledged Israel nuclear power status for the first time."

http://i.gizmodo.com/5174640/israel-has-nukes-us-army-confirms
 
Dixie said:
It doesn't matter who gave him what. Liberals and the ACLU are the ones who push for (and get) all kinds of relaxation of the punishments and restrictions on people like this. You are the ones who stand on your soap-box lecturing the rest of us about how it's not fair and everyone deserves a second chance, and a third, fourth... whatever. Just the other day, some pinhead was railing on and on about the "Three Strikes" laws, because they "unfairly" prosecuted people who didn't deserve it. It is YOUR Liberal, ACLU, Left-Wing, Feel-Good, Do-Goodism, which has caused this mental case to be on the streets in the first place, Conservatives would have probably fried the guy the first go around! They DAMN sure wouldn't have let him out on the streets!
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The ACLU defends your conservative causes as well as my liberal ones, so at least acknowledge that they can be equal opportunity offenders.

"Since it does not believe the Second Amendment imposes any limits on the government's authority to restrict possession of guns, the national ACLU has never challenged gun control laws."

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119544.html
 
christiefan915 said:
The ACLU defends your conservative causes as well as my liberal ones, so at least acknowledge that they can be equal opportunity offenders.

"Since it does not believe the Second Amendment imposes any limits on the government's authority to restrict possession of guns, the national ACLU has never challenged gun control laws."

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119544.html
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Haha utter dishonest bullshit.

They haven't ever fought for the 2nd Amendment, only avoid fighting against it because even they are not so stupid as to pretend that it says something different.

Their position seems to be: Well we wish it didn't say that, but we're not going to fight for or against it.

P.S. Feel free to address my point about the stupidity of using the SPLC as a fair and honest resource.
 
christiefan915 said:
The ACLU defends your conservative causes as well as my liberal ones, so at least acknowledge that they can be equal opportunity offenders.

"Since it does not believe the Second Amendment imposes any limits on the government's authority to restrict possession of guns, the national ACLU has never challenged gun control laws."

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119544.html
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Aren't those two statements a bit contradictory?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Pay attention: we are talking about ex-cons who are on parole. By law, they DO NOT have 100% the same rights as everyone else, as I pointed out in #2. This is NOT a 1st Amendment issue, per se. It's a question as to why was a racist convicted of crimes derived from his racism allowed to run a website exposing racism? I mean, Pedophiles are not to have any pornographic literature relating to minors......I just don't get this.
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You are right - you don't "get it". Because we are talking about liberty and you haven't a foggy fucking clue what that is.

Paroled convicts do not have 100% of their rights returned, such as the right to keep and bear arms. However, once paroled, some rights ARE restored. Among them are FULL 1ST Amendment rights. You keep telling me to do research, then pull crap out of your ass about which rights are restored and which ones are not for paroled convicts. So I'll return the advice: do some research.

As for pornographic material relating to minors - that is illegal for everyone, not just pedophiles. The difference for convicted pedophiles is the penal system defines the use of such material as a parole violation - which eliminates the necessity to bring and prove separate charges against the pedophile. They can arrest them and send them to the pokey, cheaply and quickly. (My only complaint is the bastages shouldn't be out in the first damned place.)

The whole thing about McVie is a load of totalitarian nonsense. If a crazy person were to run around cutting people's head off, carrying around an annotated copy of Alice in Wonderland, with the phrase "off with their heads" highlited in pink, do we take Alice in Wonderland off the shelves? The fact is crazy people are just that: crazy. There is no way to control any and all possible triggers of such types, be they political writings you don't like, or popular literature.

If a person, through speech or writing, actually advocates and encourages violence against a targeted group is one thing. Such expression is considered to be unprotected by the 1st Amendment, and any consequences which result from such expression are prosecutable under conspiracy laws.

But expression of hatred toward a group (ie: I hate such-and such type people) IS protected. We may not like those who expound such opinions. We may even (gasp) HATE them for their bigotry. But they have every right to express themselves by any peaceable means available to them, just as we have the right to express ourselves through any peaceable means.
 
The conservatives who deny words are not responsible for a setting that creates this action are either lying to themselves or too dumb to understand the power of words.
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Hey Taichicklet... I know this is not your quote, but you balked at the idea I was claiming this is what you were doing. We see, this is exactly what your point is, and the point of every left-wing liberal fool out there. No, you won't come out and directly lay the blame for this nutbag on Conservatives, you'll make a veiled comment, and let idiots like this make that connection for you, then deny that was what you meant!

This guy didn't walk into the Holocaust Museum and start blowing away innocent people because he listened to something Rush or Hannity said! It's as absurd as claiming he did this because he came to JPP and read AssClown's anti-semitic "joo" rants! Attempting to tie Nazi extremists to right-wing conservatism, is like attempting to tie alQaeda extremists to left-wing liberals... you want to take responsibility for those nutbags? Because I think they've probably killed more innocent Americans.

Maybe that's what those of us on the right need to start doing, popping you in the mouth with your own stupidity and absurdity! Yeah... alQaeda does what they do because of Al Franken and Keith Olbermann! If we could just shut those fools up, we wouldn't have any more alQaeda extremists flying planes into buildings! Let's ban all left-wing speech!! //sarcasm
 
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