Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

[Taichiliberal]

So the little SOB finally got to kill someone......if he lives, they should put him in a maximum isolation security facility....or give him the needle. I always wondered why he didn't get a longer sentence on his first major offense, or why he was allowed to continue his hate speech site.

Remember when Nepolitano warned of right wing extremist trying to recruit vets, and the neocons went ballistic as if no such thing could be. Hmmm, what are the nay sayers thinking now? And given the damage he did with a 22caliber rifle, one could only imagine what would have happened if he had easier access to more serious fire power.

If people think this type of thing is going to remain the exception to the rule, then just remember that the organization that inspired the Oklahoma bombing just disbanded when it's leader died of natural causes....but never renounced the bombers. Also, the anthrax mailer who succeeded in killing somone was never caught.

People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn. Man, something better be done soon, because given the neocon mantra of blaming poor black folk for housing loans that caused our current financial woes along with the drivel of Obama being a socialist/muslim confidant/conspirator...the next 3 1/2 are going to be tense.

www.splcenter.org

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So the little SOB finally got to kill someone......if he lives, they should put him in a maximum isolation security facility....or give him the needle. I always wondered why he didn't get a longer sentence on his first major offense, or why he was allowed to continue his hate speech site.

There's this little amendment called the First Amendmnt. Mayhaps you've heard of it?

Remember when Nepolitano warned of right wing extremist trying to recruit vets, and the neocons went ballistic as if no such thing could be. Hmmm, what are the nay sayers thinking now?

That it's just as irrelevant now as it was then.

And given the damage he did with a 22caliber rifle, one could only imagine what would have happened if he had easier access to more serious fire power.

then i'd say you better ban all guns now, seriously.

If people think this type of thing is going to remain the exception to the rule, then just remember that the organization that inspired the Oklahoma bombing just disbanded when it's leader died of natural causes....but never renounced the bombers. Also, the anthrax mailer who succeeded in killing somone was never caught.

you're an idiot. one person organized the OK city bombing, not an 'organization'.

People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11

yeah, EVERYBODY said 'jail those ragheads.

.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn. Man, something better be done soon, because given the neocon mantra of blaming poor black folk for housing loans that caused our current financial woes along with the drivel of Obama being a socialist/muslim confidant/conspirator...the next 3 1/2 are going to be tense.

bring it on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So the little SOB finally got to kill someone......if he lives, they should put him in a maximum isolation security facility....or give him the needle. I always wondered why he didn't get a longer sentence on his first major offense, or why he was allowed to continue his hate speech site.

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
There's this little amendment called the First Amendmnt. Mayhaps you've heard of it?

Ahhh, but since he's an ex-con who's crime was a direct result of his racist advocacy, wouldn't running a hate speech site be akin to a convicted bank robber wanting to start his own S&L? Obviously, his parole board didn't think so....chalk up another boner decision for our Justice system.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Remember when Nepolitano warned of right wing extremist trying to recruit vets, and the neocons went ballistic as if no such thing could be. Hmmm, what are the nay sayers thinking now?

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
That it's just as irrelevant now as it was then.

How was it irrelvent then? Remember, McVeigh was an ex-serviceman. Perhaps you should do some research before you form an opinion. The website I gave is a good start.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And given the damage he did with a 22caliber rifle, one could only imagine what would have happened if he had easier access to more serious fire power.

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
then i'd say you better ban all guns now, seriously.

Well, rather than do something stupid like that, let's just thank God wiser folk than you or I put the existing gun laws into place.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
If people think this type of thing is going to remain the exception to the rule, then just remember that the organization that inspired the Oklahoma bombing just disbanded when it's leader died of natural causes....but never renounced the bombers. Also, the anthrax mailer who succeeded in killing somone was never caught.

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
you're an idiot. one person organized the OK city bombing, not an 'organization'.

Learn to read carefully and comprehensively, genius. I wrote the organization that INSPIRED the Okalhoma bombing. Do some decent homework regarding McVeigh reading the Turner Diaries, it's author and what organization he was head of (I'm SO tired of doing the homework for blowhards with delusions of intelligence)

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
yeah, EVERYBODY said 'jail those ragheads.

Did I say "everybody"? Nope. Get a grip, bunky.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn. Man, something better be done soon, because given the neocon mantra of blaming poor black folk for housing loans that caused our current financial woes along with the drivel of Obama being a socialist/muslim confidant/conspirator...the next 3 1/2 are going to be tense.

Originally Posted by Smarter Than You
bring it on.

Pleeze, didn't we have enough of that moronic mindset in the last 8 years?

 

[Good Luck]

1) The length of his first sentence is a result of the failed revolving door "rehabilitation" idiology of the modern liberal movement.

2) Once released, the first amendment rights of a citizen are restored. But it is typical of totalitarians to take isolated events to promote their plans to limit liberty "in the name of safety".

3) Being a convicted felon, he had no more legal access to the .22 than he had to any other rifle, or handgun - proof positive that gun laws diminishing citizens rights don't do squat to keep firearms away from criminals.

4) There is no evidence of any organization leading to this event, unless you want to talk about Hitler. Napoleon's "report" was nothing less than a direct insult to anyone who served in uniform, as well as carefully worded to imply anyone who opposes Obama's policies. It was and a piece of shit, and anyone who supports that crap just proves their totalitarian leanings.

5) No organization "inspired" the bombing of a federal building. They decried the tactics used in Waco - which anyone with a real brain admits was a cluster fuck on the part of BATF/FBI. McVie was a homicidal maniac who used Waco as an excuse for his terrorism. Thing with their type is any excuse will do.

6) Actually many people decried the use of racial profiling against people of Arab descent after the attacks of 9/11/01. I would be willing to bet you were one of them, as did I.

7) The First Amendment still applies to everyone - even people like neonazis whose opinion you dislike so intently you'd like to push their collective faces through 5 feet of concrete. Those that actually advocate violence ARE investigated. Those that simply promote hatred toward a targeted group, like, say, veterans of foreign wars as potential terrorist recruits, are left to their own devices.

 

[RockX]

LOL


People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn.

Yep the last big roundup of people was the internment of Japanese Americans by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a democrat. You democrats should all be very proud of that fact. Why do you think we white people cling to our guns & religion? Its because you have locked people up before that did not look and act like you.

 

[uscitizen]

LOL


People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn.

Yep the last big roundup of people was the internment of Japanese Americans by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a democrat. You democrats should all be very proud of that fact. Why do you think we white people cling to our guns & religion? Its because you have locked people up before that did not look and act like you.

And we have learned nothing since 1941?
Obviously many of us have not.

 

[Taichiliberal]

1) The length of his first sentence is a result of the failed revolving door "rehabilitation" idiology of the modern liberal movement. Really? Because Peltier is still in jail...and Von Brunn was let loose during the Reagan Bush Years...which were hardly liberal. So whether motivated by liberal or conservative, the revolving door does seem rather selective.

2) Once released, the first amendment rights of a citizen are restored. But it is typical of totalitarians to take isolated events to promote their plans to limit liberty "in the name of safety". Wrong.....ex-convicts are to adhere to certain restrictions once released into society on parole. Case in point....consorting with other known and/or ex-felons, voting in elections, owning fire arms. Pedophiles on parole. are not permitted to work at jobs that put them in close contact with children. There are more and they vary from state to state. And once again, there are no "liberals" running a totalitarian state. If you think otherwise, then go talk to those who lived in East Berlin during the Cold War, or the folk who lived under Suharto, or Pinochet or Shah Pahvil. For God's sake, man.....get educated and stop being proud of your ignorance.

3) Being a convicted felon, he had no more legal access to the .22 than he had to any other rifle, or handgun - proof positive that gun laws diminishing citizens rights don't do squat to keep firearms away from criminals. You miss my point....he got a .22 because he could not readily get an uzi, or a Ak-47 or some similar weapon. If the weapon is floating on the open market, it has a greater chance of getting into the hands of criminals...that is a fact. So gun laws that prohibit certain types of weapons do have a positive side, despite the hysterics of the NRA and their punditry.

4) There is no evidence of any organization leading to this event, unless you want to talk about Hitler. Napoleon's "report" was nothing less than a direct insult to anyone who served in uniform, as well as carefully worded to imply anyone who opposes Obama's policies. It was and a piece of shit, and anyone who supports that crap just proves their totalitarian leanings.
Like Smarter-Than-You, you didn't read carefully what I wrote. I wrote that an organization INSPIRED McVeigh. Do some decent research into McVeigh, the Turner Diaries, it's author and the organization run by that author. Napolitano was reading from a report that was commissioned and sanctioned by the Bush administration. To date, neocons and willfully ignorant folk rail against the findings without any knowledge of the report itself. Here, get informed http://cryptome.org/spy-whites.pdf



5) No organization "inspired" the bombing of a federal building. Wrong, as usual, the book was found in the possessions of McVeigh. http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/28/okc/They decried the tactics used in Waco - which anyone with a real brain admits was a cluster fuck on the part of BATF/FBI. Stay on target......we're talking about folk like the American Nazi Party and the Oklahoma bombing...not Waco. Totally different topic. McVie was a homicidal maniac who used Waco as an excuse for his terrorism. Thing with their type is any excuse will do. Obviously, you didn't know about his self edited copy of The Turner Diaries. Do some research.
6) Actually many people decried the use of racial profiling against people of Arab descent after the attacks of 9/11/01. I would be willing to bet you were one of them, as did I. And many people didn't.....as was evident in the punditry of Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck and their numerous supporters.

7) The First Amendment still applies to everyone - even people like neonazis whose opinion you dislike so intently you'd like to push their collective faces through 5 feet of concrete. Those that actually advocate violence ARE investigated. Those that simply promote hatred toward a targeted group, like, say, veterans of foreign wars as potential terrorist recruits, are left to their own devices.

Pay attention: we are talking about ex-cons who are on parole. By law, they DO NOT have 100% the same rights as everyone else, as I pointed out in #2. This is NOT a 1st Amendment issue, per se. It's a question as to why was a racist convicted of crimes derived from his racism allowed to run a website exposing racism? I mean, Pedophiles are not to have any pornographic literature relating to minors......I just don't get this.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

*sigh* Yet ANOTHER attempt to connect some nutbag to right wing conservatives! You pinhead moron, comparing this guy in ANY way to the Conservatives of America, is akin to me comparing Jim Jones and Charles Manson with Liberals! Why do you have to resort to such nasty and vile tactics as this? Is your liberal message THAT bad, that you have to paint your opposition in this manner?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Pay attention: we are talking about ex-cons who are on parole. By law, they DO NOT have 100% the same rights as everyone else, as I pointed out in #2. This is NOT a 1st Amendment issue, per se. It's a question as to why was a racist convicted of crimes derived from his racism allowed to run a website exposing racism? I mean, Pedophiles are not to have any pornographic literature relating to minors......I just don't get this.

And to answer this silly-ass retort... PROBABLY because some LIBERAL PINHEAD Judge, like Sototmayor, allowed it because it would be seen as a "denial of free speech" to deny him this right! He PROBABLY had full undaunted support of the ACLU! It's exactly these kinds of nutcases YOUR liberal activist judges are releasing into the streets everyday, and you have the audacity to complain about it when one of them goes nuts?

 

[Taichiliberal]

LOL


People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn.

Yep the last big roundup of people was the internment of Japanese Americans by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a democrat. You democrats should all be very proud of that fact. Why do you think we white people cling to our guns & religion? Its because you have locked people up before that did not look and act like you.

Right....and Republicans NEVER presided over any term of gov't where massive civil rights violations were dealt to the nation? Are you high? Who said I gave FDR a pass? And since FDR was white and the folk locked up were asians (NOT GERMAN-Americans), what the fuck are you going on about a reason for white folk clinging to their guns? What you gave here was some knee jerk half assed rant because someone dared criticize white supremacists. Get a grip.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

...And what fucking difference does this make to the left anyway? He just knocked off a few "Joo" lovers! Not like THAT is a big deal to you, is it? Most of you are fine and dandy with Akmandenijahd building nukes and exterminating ALL the Jews, doesn't bother you in the least, you probably figure the world will be a much better place without all them damn Jews!

This nut's viewpoint was a helluva lot closer to some of the ANTI-JEWISH ranting I hear from the left, than anything the Conservatives advocate.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

So the little SOB finally got to kill someone......if he lives, they should put him in a maximum isolation security facility....or give him the needle. I always wondered why he didn't get a longer sentence on his first major offense, or why he was allowed to continue his hate speech site.

Remember when Nepolitano warned of right wing extremist trying to recruit vets, and the neocons went ballistic as if no such thing could be. Hmmm, what are the nay sayers thinking now? And given the damage he did with a 22caliber rifle, one could only imagine what would have happened if he had easier access to more serious fire power.

If people think this type of thing is going to remain the exception to the rule, then just remember that the organization that inspired the Oklahoma bombing just disbanded when it's leader died of natural causes....but never renounced the bombers. Also, the anthrax mailer who succeeded in killing somone was never caught.

People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn. Man, something better be done soon, because given the neocon mantra of blaming poor black folk for housing loans that caused our current financial woes along with the drivel of Obama being a socialist/muslim confidant/conspirator...the next 3 1/2 are going to be tense.

www.splcenter.org

I disagree that he should be executed or put in an isolation unit. I think both are violations of human rights. However, I agree that he shouldn't ever be let out of prison.

And I think it's problematic to a democracy to ban hate speech. I am a full believer in free speech, and all the potentially negative parts of that. Who knows.

 

[Taichiliberal]

*sigh* Yet ANOTHER attempt to connect some nutbag to right wing conservatives! You pinhead moron, comparing this guy in ANY way to the Conservatives of America, is akin to me comparing Jim Jones and Charles Manson with Liberals! Why do you have to resort to such nasty and vile tactics as this? Is your liberal message THAT bad, that you have to paint your opposition in this manner?

Hey jackass, can you quote the passage where I said in no uncertain terms that Von Brunn was connected to right wing conservatives? Because if you can't, then you've demonstrated again that your reading comprehension is sub par.

Read what I wrote, you dunce. Deal with the FACTS.

 

[Taichiliberal]

...And what fucking difference does this make to the left anyway? He just knocked off a few "Joo" lovers! Not like THAT is a big deal to you, is it? Most of you are fine and dandy with Akmandenijahd building nukes and exterminating ALL the Jews, doesn't bother you in the least, you probably figure the world will be a much better place without all them damn Jews!

This nut's viewpoint was a helluva lot closer to some of the ANTI-JEWISH ranting I hear from the left, than anything the Conservatives advocate.

Right....a racist little creep gets nailed and our little Dixie flag waving jackass is foaming at the mouth, spewing foolishness. Very telling.

 

[Taichiliberal]

And to answer this silly-ass retort... PROBABLY because some LIBERAL PINHEAD Judge, like Sototmayor, allowed it because it would be seen as a "denial of free speech" to deny him this right! He PROBABLY had full undaunted support of the ACLU! It's exactly these kinds of nutcases YOUR liberal activist judges are releasing into the streets everyday, and you have the audacity to complain about it when one of them goes nuts?

Hey mastermind....why don't you do some honest research and find out WHO gave him his sentence, etc. Or are you some comfortable with your supposition and conjecture that you don't need reality?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Hey jackass, can you quote the passage where I said in no uncertain terms that Von Brunn was connected to right wing conservatives? Because if you can't, then you've demonstrated again that your reading comprehension is sub par.

Read what I wrote, you dunce. Deal with the FACTS.

Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Fact is, people like this ARE the RARE exception. You insinuate this is something provoked by the "right wing" extremists, but it's not. This is a mental nutbag, not associated with the right or left, who should have never been let out of jail by LIBERALS!

 

[Taichiliberal]

I disagree that he should be executed or put in an isolation unit. I think both are violations of human rights. However, I agree that he shouldn't ever be let out of prison. I can see that.

And I think it's problematic to a democracy to ban hate speech. I am a full believer in free speech, and all the potentially negative parts of that. Who knows.

I'm not saying ban hate speech....I was pointing out the absurdity of letting a convicted ex-criminal indulge in the very activity associated with his crime. Hate speech should be allowed....know thy enemy.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Right....a racist little creep gets nailed and our little Dixie flag waving jackass is foaming at the mouth, spewing foolishness. Very telling.

The only one spewing foolishness is YOU, chicklet!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Fact is, people like this ARE the RARE exception. You insinuate this is something provoked by the "right wing" extremists, but it's not. This is a mental nutbag, not associated with the right or left, who should have never been let out of jail by LIBERALS!

You ignorant lout.....do some research before you type

www.splcenter.org

 

[Taichiliberal]

The only one spewing foolishness is YOU, chicklet!

Keep going, lug nut......you expose your true self with every rant.

Oh, by the way, the Confederacy got it's ass whupped about a century or so ago.....grow up and deal with reality.

So unless you can disprove anything I wrote or want to rationally discuss the topic, I'm through indulging your ignorant bullshit here.