Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Southern Man said:
Liberals passed "Campaign Finance Reform" that limits what can be said during the last few months of political campaigns and are now trying to impose the "Fairness Doctrine", therefore they are against Free Speech.
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As usual you missed the point entirely. That you can called islamic extremists liberal is funny.
 
Dixie said:
Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Fact is, people like this ARE the RARE exception. You insinuate this is something provoked by the "right wing" extremists, but it's not. This is a mental nutbag, not associated with the right or left, who should have never been let out of jail by LIBERALS!
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In every post you've made alleging that he's comparing all conservatives to a racist hate-monger, you've criticized liberals as being lawless crime and terror-supporters, yet I'm certain the irony is lost on you.

"PROBABLY because some LIBERAL PINHEAD Judge, like Sototmayor, allowed it "

"He PROBABLY had full undaunted support of the ACLU!"

"...these kinds of nutcases YOUR liberal activist judges are releasing into the streets everyday,..."

"He just knocked off a few "Joo" lovers! Not like THAT is a big deal to you, is it? Most of you are fine and dandy with Akmandenijahd building nukes and exterminating ALL the Jews..."

"...who should have never been let out of jail by LIBERALS!"
 
Taichiliberal said:
So the little SOB finally got to kill someone......if he lives, they should put him in a maximum isolation security facility....or give him the needle. I always wondered why he didn't get a longer sentence on his first major offense, or why he was allowed to continue his hate speech site.

Remember when Nepolitano warned of right wing extremist trying to recruit vets, and the neocons went ballistic as if no such thing could be. Hmmm, what are the nay sayers thinking now? And given the damage he did with a 22caliber rifle, one could only imagine what would have happened if he had easier access to more serious fire power.

If people think this type of thing is going to remain the exception to the rule, then just remember that the organization that inspired the Oklahoma bombing just disbanded when it's leader died of natural causes....but never renounced the bombers. Also, the anthrax mailer who succeeded in killing somone was never caught.

People condoned and excused the rounding up and questioning of Arab-Americans and folk of Middle Eastern heritage after 9/11.....but to date no such actions have been called for or done to the members of organizations that advocate like minded attitudes like Von Brunn. Man, something better be done soon, because given the neocon mantra of blaming poor black folk for housing loans that caused our current financial woes along with the drivel of Obama being a socialist/muslim confidant/conspirator...the next 3 1/2 are going to be tense.

www.splcenter.org
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This should be a teachable moment for boneheads who call Sotomayor a "racist", but I doubt they'll see the difference.
 
christiefan915 said:
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Are you saying the ACLU hasn't defended causes that are dear to conservatives?
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well, now that you put it that way, no. most conservatives support a handful of the gun control laws that are there also.

I guess what I find contradictory is the ACLU as a defender of civil rights, yet refusing to acknowledge the right to bear arms as a civil right despite it's plain english language in the 2nd Amendment. :confused:
 
Epicurus said:
Haha utter dishonest bullshit.

They haven't ever fought for the 2nd Amendment, only avoid fighting against it because even they are not so stupid as to pretend that it says something different.

Their position seems to be: Well we wish it didn't say that, but we're not going to fight for or against it.

P.S. Feel free to address my point about the stupidity of using the SPLC as a fair and honest resource.
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You can figuratively put your words in their mouths but it still doesn't make them true.

I get that you don't like the SPLC. That's your business. I checked them out before supporting their work. They use almost 70% of their donations on program expenses. They track the number and activities of hate groups in the country and show that the number of groups has increased 65% since 2000. They work through the court system to get criminal convictions. They're not vigilantes.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone over which organizations should or shouldn't be supported; that's a personal decision. Feel free to rant about the SPLC but you'll have to argue their merits or lack of them with somebody else, not me.


http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4482
 
SmarterThanYou said:
well, now that you put it that way, no. most conservatives support a handful of the gun control laws that are there also.

I guess what I find contradictory is the ACLU as a defender of civil rights, yet refusing to acknowledge the right to bear arms as a civil right despite it's plain english language in the 2nd Amendment. :confused:
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The causes I'm talking about aren't limited to guns. They've defended rush limbaugh, Larry Craig and the KKK, for God's sake. I didn't agree with those decisions but understood the rationale for them.
 
WinterBorn said:
The OK City bombings were also inspired by The Turner Diaries.

Lets burn all the copies of that book so no one else will die in a bombing. And while we are at it lets burn any books that don't fit our political ideologies.
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Well, it was far-right extremists that tried to get the Harry Potter books, as one example, banned from school libraries because of all the "sex, drugs and Satanism" they portrayed.
 
Southern Man said:
Von Brunn hated Bush, hated the War on Terror, hates God and his next target was the Weekly Standard. In other words: a flaming liberal.
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Von Brunn was obsessed with a paranoia of a global Jewish conspiracy to conquer the world. People of his mindset consider Jews "non-white". Couple this with his hatred of black Americans, "non-white" immigrants, etc., and you a have a guy who sees collaborators every where as part of the conspiracy to destroy the "white race" at every turn. What you list above is no surprise, as extremist do not tolerate the slightest deviation from their ideology. Case in point, you may remember right wing journalist Pat Buchannan being livid with GW Bush regardint the issue of amnesty for illegal aliens. Also, you may recall conservative commentator/journalist joining the criticism of Bush policies in Iraq late into the occupation. Neither of these gentleman would be considered flaming liberals by anyone familiar with their life's work (unless you were Karl Rove). So given Van Brunn's documented lifetime of avowed racism, anti-semetic conspiracy theories and extremist right wing political views, your list would hardly qualify him as a "flaming liberal". Here are some more articulated views in this vein: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/06/11/was-james-von-brunn-a-right-winger.aspx
 
Taichiliberal said:
Von Brunn was obsessed with a paranoia of a global Jewish conspiracy to conquer the world. People of his mindset consider Jews "non-white". Couple this with his hatred of black Americans, "non-white" immigrants, etc., and you a have a guy who sees collaborators every where as part of the conspiracy to destroy the "white race" at every turn. What you list above is no surprise, as extremist do not tolerate the slightest deviation from their ideology. Case in point, you may remember right wing journalist Pat Buchannan being livid with GW Bush regardint the issue of amnesty for illegal aliens. Also, you may recall conservative commentator/journalist joining the criticism of Bush policies in Iraq late into the occupation. Neither of these gentleman would be considered flaming liberals by anyone familiar with their life's work (unless you were Karl Rove). So given Van Brunn's documented lifetime of avowed racism, anti-semetic conspiracy theories and extremist right wing political views, your list would hardly qualify him as a "flaming liberal". Here are some more articulated views in this vein: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/06/11/was-james-von-brunn-a-right-winger.aspx
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In spite of what your blog accuses, he's also a liberal, like you. :)
 
christiefan915 said:
This should be a teachable moment for boneheads who call Sotomayor a "racist", but I doubt they'll see the difference.
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But you have to understand the mindset of the majority of neocons....the only time a conservative is perceived as a threat is if he deviates on milimeter from the party line...the only time a caucasian American is deemed a threat is if they are Dems or "libs" or the forementioned. Other than that, folk like Von Brunn are tolerated like a drunk relative at a X-mas party....he's okay until he goes on a bender. However, when that drunk relative's 5th DUI results in a death, you have the usual divisions, some will defend, some will excuse, some will disown.
 
Southern Man said:
In spite of what your blog accuses, he's also a liberal, like you. :)
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:rolleyes: Obviously, you don't realize that the writer was making references to Von Brunns YEARS of material....which can hardly ever be considered "liberal"...unless of course you can name me a "flaming liberal" that agrees with Holocaust deniers, raged about inter-racial marriages and agree with this little gem

http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/?p=463

It's a simple request....try not to waste time with your usual convoluted BS. Either you can or you can't honestly answer the question.
 
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