Unfair to Compare Katrina with the Oil Spill

I've argued the Katrina/BP comparison about 3 dozen times on the board, Yurtsie. If you want me to repeat it, here ya go: w/ Katrina, there were people stranded, under durress & in immediate danger, on TV 24x7. There was a BASIC need of rescue - the kind that calls for leadership. Beyond that, there was a means to rescue them.

Bush was invisible.

The comparison ends there for me. All of the criticisms of Obama are along the lines of criticizing Bush for not ensuring the levies were stronger, or not rebuilding them fast enough, or not clearing the streets of water - none of which I see as legit criticisms.

So, your attempt to find a point of comparison in your not-so-clever wordplay is a total failure.

Sorry 'bout that, Yurtsie! Want to push yourself & see if you can find something even more clever that you can repeat a bunch of times, claiming it's "substance"? Or, maybe....you should start another thread about me?

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OTE=Onceler;663173]I've argued the Katrina/BP comparison about 3 dozen times on the board, Yurtsie. If you want me to repeat it, here ya go: w/ Katrina, there were people stranded, under durress & in immediate danger, on TV 24x7. There was a BASIC need of rescue - the kind that calls for leadership. Beyond that, there was a means to rescue them.
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with BP oil spill....economic lives and wildlife are still stranded. they are under duress & in immediate danger, and it should be on tv 24X7, but its not...couldn't be the liberal media....oh no....

there is still a BASIC need of rescue in the guld - the kind that calls for leadership. notwithstanding that, there is still a means to rescue them.

Bush was invisible.
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if you want to say bush is invisible, then obama is even more ghostlike...how long did it take obama to get down to the gulf? what 'non' invisible time has he put in? he hasn't even talked directly with BP's CEO....talk about invisible...he claims he doesn't want to talk to him becuase he """knows""" the answers he will get from the CEO....WTF...that is not leadership, that is ASSumption of leadership.

The comparison ends there for me.
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of course it does...obama is a democrat.

All of the criticisms of Obama are along the lines of criticizing Bush for not ensuring the levies were stronger, or not rebuilding them fast enough, or not clearing the streets of water - none of which I see as legit criticisms.
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you haven't been paying attention due to your extreme partisan viewpoints....the criticisms of obama are far beyond your weak claim of 'criticizing bush'...that you don't see the real criticisms is telling, you can't even find it in yourself to name ONE....not even one....why....because you're a partisan, obama can do no wrong in your eyes


So, your attempt to find a point of comparison in your not-so-clever wordplay is a total failure.
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look how long it took you to form a rational response...i consider that a success.

Sorry 'bout that, Yurtsie! Want to push yourself & see if you can find something even more clever that you can repeat a bunch of times, claiming it's "substance"? Or, maybe....you should start another thread about me?

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ah yes....more flaming love talk for dear ol' yurtsie....like i said...take it all to the thread i created about your claim that my immaculate arrival on this board changed the tenor....apparently after approx. half a dozens requests....you simply must continue your flaming love for me all over the board
 
"with BP oil spill....economic lives and wildlife are still stranded. they are under duress & in immediate danger, and it should be on tv 24X7, but its not...couldn't be the liberal media....oh no....

there is still a BASIC need of rescue in the guld - the kind that calls for leadership. notwithstanding that, there is still a means to rescue them. "

That's one of the funniest things I have ever read on here. As I've said before, sure, there is plenty of durress to go around here. But no, there isn't nearly the same need of immediate rescue - how can any intelligent person even make that comparison?

And there are pictures of oil-covered birds in the "librul" media every day, Yurtsie. Sorry, but it's still not nearly as compelling a story as people completely stranded in a flood. Do you really see a comparison here?

Are you for real? I mean, seriously? To run around the board calling everyone else a hack. You are a hack's hack, Yurtsie. "Still a means to rescue them?" Who is stranded right now? Who has the same IMMEDIATE need to be transported out of...well, what? The Gulf?

I keep saying this, but you really have become a fave source of comedy. "Substance"....LOL, Yurtsie!
 
Onceler said:
"with BP oil spill....economic lives and wildlife are still stranded. they are under duress & in immediate danger, and it should be on tv 24X7, but its not...couldn't be the liberal media....oh no....

there is still a BASIC need of rescue in the guld - the kind that calls for leadership. notwithstanding that, there is still a means to rescue them. "

That's one of the funniest things I have ever read on here. As I've said before, sure, there is plenty of durress to go around here. But no, there isn't nearly the same need of immediate rescue - how can any intelligent person even make that comparison?

And there are pictures of oil-covered birds in the "librul" media every day, Yurtsie. Sorry, but it's still not nearly as compelling a story as people completely stranded in a flood. Do you really see a comparison here?

Are you for real? I mean, seriously? To run around the board calling everyone else a hack. You are a hack's hack, Yurtsie. "Still a means to rescue them?" Who is stranded right now? Who has the same IMMEDIATE need to be transported out of...well, what? The Gulf?

I keep saying this, but you really have become a fave source of comedy. "Substance"....LOL, Yurtsie!
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Every single individual who was stranded in New Orleans following Katrina, had nearly a week to evacuate, they KNEW the situation, they KNEW it would not be safe to remain, and yet they CHOSE to remain. You are blaming Bush for not rescuing people who didn't have enough sense to heed the week-long warnings of impending catastrophe... do you realize how idiotic that is? And... how exactly was Bush supposed to rescue these people? The Federal government is required by the Constitution, to obtain a request from the state, before doing ANYTHING of a relief nature in a disaster. The STATE can do that, the LOCAL government can do that... where were they?

You're an idiot who doesn't comprehend how Federal and State governments operate, and the required protocols regarding major disasters and relief. I guess you think Bush was supposed to usurp State and Local authority and send U.S. Army lifeboats into New Orleans, which he just pulled out of his ass on a whim or something? The Feds do not have the immediate resources available in every locale, to handle rescue efforts in case of a disaster... that has never been the case, and still isn't the case, and it would cost us TRILLIONS to make that be the case! But you are a fucktard idiot who doesn't comprehend that... you just want to keep on ranting about something you know nothing about.

KATRINA: Bush declared a Federal Disaster... 3 DAYS BEFORE the hurricane hit!

BP OIL SPILL: Day 52, and Obama has STILL NOT ISSUED A FEDERAL DISASTER DECLARATION!

I disagree with Yurt... Bush DID do stuff... Obama has done NOTHING!
 
learn to use the quote function....its annoying trying to parse out the debate because you're too lazy to learn the quote function....of course i must realize that because you know it annoys me, that you will forever and always NOT use the quote function...that is how childish you are

QUOTE]UOTE=Onceler;663181]"with BP oil spill....economic lives and wildlife are still stranded. they are under duress & in immediate danger, and it should be on tv 24X7, but its not...couldn't be the liberal media....oh no...
there is still a BASIC need of rescue in the guld - the kind that calls for leadership. notwithstanding that, there is still a means to rescue them. "
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That's one of the funniest things I have ever read on here. As I've said before, sure, there is plenty of durress to go around here. But no, there isn't nearly the same need of immediate rescue - how can any intelligent person even make that comparison?
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you really need to get out if that is one of the funniest things you have ever read on here....please....get out, enjoy life

there is no immediate need of rescue? really? have you been diving in the gulf? have you been down to the gulf where fishermen's lives have been STRANDED because of this spill? have you walked the beaches and marshes where the oil is coming onshore?

seriously, this is the most pathetic i've seen you. because you don't have, as you put it above, daily TV pictures etc....its not as bad as katrina...because you don't see it on your TV 24/7, it must not be as bad....

on TV 24x7
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And there are pictures of oil-covered birds in the "librul" media every day, Yurtsie. Sorry, but it's still not nearly as compelling a story as people completely stranded in a flood. Do you really see a comparison here?
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this is you at your lowest. quantifying human suffering by what you see in the media. you are truly are partisan, make no mistake about that onceler.

Are you for real? I mean, seriously? To run around the board calling everyone else a hack. You are a hack's hack, Yurtsie. "Still a means to rescue them?" Who is stranded right now? Who has the same IMMEDIATE need to be transported out of...well, what? The Gulf?
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^this says it all about your extreme partisanship....the lives being ruined in the gulf mean nothing to you becuase they aren't on TV being shown as 'stranded'....you're sick onceler...their lives, their livelihoods are stranded...the gulf, the entire ecosystem is stranded...yet, because you don't see it on TV, it doesn't exist



I keep saying this, but you really have become a fave source of comedy. "Substance"....LOL, Yurtsie!
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ah....the continually obsessive flaming love yurtsie talk....
 
Do you have any concept what "need of immediate rescue" is, Yurtsie?

Yes, people are suffering, and this disaster has had a huge impact on many lives. I have great empathy for this, and have spoken at length about it, while hacks like you & Dixie have tried to marginalize what is going on.

When I talk about what makes a 'compelling story,' it's just that. It has nothing to do with what I think is important - it has to do with what the media thinks sells stories. Man, are you a drama queen in that regard.

And sorry, but this is funny:

"there is no immediate need of rescue? really? have you been diving in the gulf? have you been down to the gulf where fishermen's lives have been STRANDED because of this spill?"

What in the world are you talking about? Yes, Obama has to do something to help rebuild the economy down in LA. But you don't rebuild an economy in a day, and how are fisherman's lives 'stranded'? That sounds utterly brain-dead. There is no similar need of immediate rescue - people whose actual lives are in danger.

What a joke, Yurtsie! I've rarely seen such fluff....
 
UOTE=Onceler;663298]Do you have any concept what "need of immediate rescue" is, Yurtsie?

Yes, people are suffering, and this disaster has had a huge impact on many lives. I have great empathy for this, and have spoken at length about it, while hacks like you & Dixie have tried to marginalize what is going on.
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i do, obviously you do not....as i asked before and will ask again, provide an exact post where i have marginalized what is going on. as you can see below, it is actually YOU marginalizing it by LAUGHING at my view of the immiment danger.....you refused last time because you knew yoiu had no proof, i anticipate the same refusal and will accept this as your implied admittance that youi are making teh same lie again

When I talk about what makes a 'compelling story,' it's just that. It has nothing to do with what I think is important - it has to do with what the media thinks sells stories. Man, are you a drama queen in that regard.
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another non answer...no wonder all you have is lovy duvy yurtsie talk

And sorry, but this is funny:

"there is no immediate need of rescue? really? have you been diving in the gulf? have you been down to the gulf where fishermen's lives have been STRANDED because of this spill?"
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wow..thats funny to you...you are sick fuck

What in the world are you talking about? Yes, Obama has to do something to help rebuild the economy down in LA. But you don't rebuild an economy in a day, and how are fisherman's lives 'stranded'? That sounds utterly brain-dead. There is no similar need of immediate rescue - people whose actual lives are in danger.
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you're pathetic...bush had boots on teh ground as soon as possible, only hacks like yoiu continue to blame bush for this, while continually "forgetting" to place any blame on nagin or blanco....FACT - there is immiment danger and risk to lives in the gulf, to say contrary is to prove you're a deranged hack

What a joke, Yurtsie! I've rarely seen such fluff....
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yeah, we know, its all a joke to you because obama is in office, if this was bush you would be wailing like a baby who hasn't gotten tit from his mom for days

and as i predicted, you would not use the quote function because you know it annoys me...how fucking childish
 
Drama queen. Who is all "emotional" now?

You know full well that your characterization of fishermen as "stranded" in the context of rescue that I was talking about is a complete false analogy. I'm glad to hear you admit it though, Yurtsie!
 
no link, thanks for admitting you lied, yet again

and thanks for proving yoiu have no debate, you have squat and you know it, so you LAUGH at the plight of the fisherman and those who live in the gulf region

you are a sick and dishonest fuck
 
Yurt said:
no link, thanks for admitting you lied, yet again

and thanks for proving yoiu have no debate, you have squat and you know it, so you LAUGH at the plight of the fisherman and those who live in the gulf region

you are a sick and dishonest fuck
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LOL

Yurtsie, here you are calling me dishonest...can you show me where I "laughed" at the fishermen? I have written about the fishermen & shrimpers & oystermen quite a few times; the effect on them economically is devastating. But, their actual lives aren't in danger.

It's the reading comprehension thing again. I wasn't laughing at them...I was laughing at YOU, Yurtsie, and your ridiculous characterization that their lives are "stranded" and in need of "immediate rescue."

That was hilarious, and still is...Yurtsie!

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laughing at my characterizion of the plight of fisherman is in fact laughing at their plight

now...where is that link that i have marginalized onceler? you make the claim i am marginalizing, then turn around and claim i am OVER emphasising their plight....good lord, you can't even keep up with your lies

you have nothing, you can't debate, you're worthless
 
"laughing at my characterizion of the plight of fisherman is in fact laughing at their plight"

No, it isn't - it's not even in the same ballpark.

My laughter was at your characterization, Yurtsie - which I saw for what it was: a really desperate attempt from a hack to apply the same terms I was using for rescue during Katrina to rescue here for BP.

So yeah - it was really funny to see you flail around like that, and make that ridiculous statement. But it's completely independent of the fishermen, for whom I have great empathy.

I'd love to say nice try, Yurtsie, but it wasn't even that!
 
still no link huh...

you're laughing at them, there is no question about it, becuase you're saying my claim about their plight is ridiculous, eg, that their plight is not as serious as i claim, so you LAUGH at their plight

what is so funny about your patent dishonesty, is that in the same breath you claim i am marginalizing their plight, you turn around and claim i am exaggerating their plight

lmao
 
"still no link huh...

you're laughing at them, there is no question about it, becuase you're saying my claim about their plight is ridiculous, eg, that their plight is not as serious as i claim, so you LAUGH at their plight

what is so funny about your patent dishonesty, is that in the same breath you claim i am marginalizing their plight, you turn around and claim i am exaggerating their plight

lmao "

Oh, I doubt you're laughing, Yurtsie!

That's one heck of a standard you're setting for yourself going forward. So, just to get this straight: anytime anyone makes a ridiculous, hacktacular statement about an issue, or puts forth a completely false analogy, or otherwise makes a claim that is worthy of nothing but ridicule regarding an issue, and then they are called on it for what it is...the person calling them on it is actually addressing the issue as well as them?

That should be interesting. Man, are you desperate! You're attempted comparison was ridiculous, and I ridiculed you for it. Yurtsie!
 
Dixie said:
Bush did absolutely everything a president can do in a disaster, unlike Obama who has yet to do a damn thing except TALK! Because others did not respond effectively, it appeared Bush didn't do as much as he should, because HE is The Man... Just like Obama is now The Man, and regardless of whether he deserves it or not, will ultimately get the blame for the feckless leadership. The most contrasting difference is, Obama will deserve the blame for doing nothing.

And let's not try to switch the subject to Iraq, mmk?
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You can ask oncler "what's the role of a president during a Katrina type hurricane"? Once the role is established you can post the what where and when of Bush's response...show that he acted responsibly and still oncler will pound the Bush was bad drum.

This is not to say Katrina was a streamlined success, only that Bush responded under the exact guidlines that were appropriated for the president to follow.

With this oil spill? Imagine if Bush had said (re burms) "we will pay for 1 of every 9 you pay for"...Obama's handling of this disaster is pure incompetence.
 
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