Underground Website Lets You Buy Any Drug Imaginable

Bfgrn said:
Protecting the public good is who and what our founding fathers were.
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NO, THEY WERE NOT, you ignorant idiot of history. All you need to do is READ the documents of ALL the founding fathers to know that their intent was to protect INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To not know that is to remain oblivious to the framers intent.

Bfgrn said:
They were not libertarians, they were the antithesis of Ayn Rand self centered egoism.
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Quit being fucking stupid.

Bfgrn said:
"What is true of every member of the society, individually, is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:455, Papers 15:393
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Stop using the quote out of context. This was given with the idea that EVERYBODY would stand up for everyone else's individual rights, instead of what we have now, which is the majority of society willing to sacrifice the rights of the individual.
 
Lowaicue said:
Well, there are wars and wars. Does it not tell you something that the supposed leaders of the 'free world' should have such a problem with drugs that it has become an all out war? (Yes, yes, I know it is not unique to the uS.)
The conditions in which someone is locked away has absolutely nothing to do with drugs only in as much that drugs is such a huge problem in America that your system is inadequate.
My comments certainly are not irrelevant. Throughout this discussion I have studiousy kept to my contention that it was wrong for that website to be given publicity and that respect for the law is of paramount importance.
Drugs, the use and possession and selling of, are at present illegal. No one has suggested separating the sale and possession of marijuana from the term, only that the law regarding drugs is wrong. Fine. We might agree on that. But it is the law. No one has bothered to answer my points concerning the value of law, there is just a suggestion that citizens of the USA have the right to ignore/disobey a law with which they disagree.
I really feel for a society that is so dependent for its pleasure upon the ingestion of chemicals while at the same time protecting the rights of pregnant women and panicking over various nasties that enter the US from China, UK, or Germany. I do not know what the answer to your problem is, it may well be that the injection of drugs, cut with talc or abrasive cleaner into various parts of the body, is what the free people of America want, but somehow I doubt it.
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And yet, you live in a society that canes people for spitting gum on the ground.
OH; and you have to live behind gated communities to "feel" safe.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And yet, you live in a society that canes people for spitting gum on the ground.
OH; and you have to live behind gated communities to "feel" safe.
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This one goes right in there with 'adding water to concrete!' I do not live in Singapore. LOL
 
Return of Dune said:
No! Absolutely not. If the law against weed did not exist, those men would not be in prison. The marine last week would still be alive. Children would have fathers to raise them and provide finacial support. Tax coffers would be full, beds in prisons would be empty, organised crime would have less capitol.

The law cannot be looked at as; it is the law, right or wrong. A burdensome law, unfair to citizens must be challenged by any and all means.
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Once again I must disagree. It is the job of the judge to hand out sentences that reflect the needs and opinions of society. He/she could condemn these people to 100 lines if he felt it to be right. It is not the law but the sentencing that should be challenged. Meanwhile your representatives serve (or should serve) to carry your requirements to government. If they dont then change them. If enough Americans want the law changed the in a democracy the law will be changed.
 
Lowaicue said:
Once again I must disagree. It is the job of the judge to hand out sentences that reflect the needs and opinions of society. He/she could condemn these people to 100 lines if he felt it to be right. It is not the law but the sentencing that should be challenged. Meanwhile your representatives serve (or should serve) to carry your requirements to government. If they dont then change them. If enough Americans want the law changed the in a democracy the law will be changed.
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Maybe if you lived here you would understand.

If America were a democracy you might be right.
 
apple0154 said:
Let's not forget drugs for medication: marijuana to counteract nausea due to chemotherapy and opiates to relieve pain, just to name two examples. Does an individual not have a right to relieve their suffering?

Reminds me when I required pain medication after a devastating auto accident. One day I point blank stated to my doctor, "Surely they don't offer extra strength Tylenol to a patient who, for example, has suffered an amputation! What medication do they give patients in constant pain?"

He referred me to a pain specialist and within 15 minutes of walking into his office I received narcotics. Two hours later my pain had dramatically decreased.

After having received anti-inflammatories, anti-seizure meds (even though I never had a seizure pain relief was a supposed side effect of the drugs), tranquilizers, steroid shots, chiropractor visits and acupuncture they finally offered something that worked. Had I been aware of narcotics and their pain-relieving qualities during that time I might well have tried to procure them on my own.

The funny thing is my doctor worked for the insurance company that was evaluating me for damages. When I asked him to be my doctor he explained he would have to recuse himself from my case, which was natural. I signed the necessary papers realizing he had experience with pain cases and would recognize I was legitimate.

Later, he also told me checks are made on doctors who prescribe such medication and I may be "approached".

Many people, today, needlessly suffer and that's a crime!

One final note. It's frequently stated "drug addicts" always require increased doses of a drug as time passes. That is patent nonsense. If that was the case a person smoking a pack of cigarettes a day at 25 years of age would be smoking a carton a day at 50! HA!

While some drugs may offer no benefits, many do. If a person finds peace smoking a joint or making a special mushroom gravy my motto is, "Better living through chemistry."

Many people suffer today because of arcane drug laws and some doctors refuse to prescribe proper medication. While I see your point concerning disobeying laws in the case of suffering I side with the law-breaker.
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Prescribed medications are not illegal. Most people have experienced the advantages of prescription drugs. I am surprised that you say some doctors refuse to prescribe the correct medication. Why can't you simply change your doctor or at least question his decision. After all doctors spend up to 6 years before they qualify. They really 'should' know more than the common man about illness. That's why we have doctors, isn't it?
 
Lowaicue said:
Prescribed medications are not illegal. Most people have experienced the advantages of prescription drugs. I am surprised that you say some doctors refuse to prescribe the correct medication. Why can't you simply change your doctor or at least question his decision. After all doctors spend up to 6 years before they qualify. They really 'should' know more than the common man about illness. That's why we have doctors, isn't it?
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You really are ignorant about the U.S. aren't you?
First, doctors here spend a lot longer than six years to "qualify".
Second, we have laws that limit what meds the doctors can prescribe. Changing doctors doesn't help, the laws cover all of them.
 
Return of Dune said:
You really are ignorant about the U.S. aren't you?
First, doctors here spend a lot longer than six years to "qualify".
Second, we have laws that limit what meds the doctors can prescribe. Changing doctors doesn't help, the laws cover all of them.
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I may be wrong but I dont know if you are including first degree and internship in your figures. However I do not see how ALL doctors must prescribe the same meds when doctors specialise. I would not ask my cardiologist to fix a hernia and I would not expect him to advise me on which pain killers might be best following such an op.
What I know of America is what we see and read. That it is an advanced country in all things, obviously it is not. That it has the best system of democracy in the world - obviously it hasn't. That it leads the way in civilised living - obviously it does not. That it is the freest nation on earth - obviously it is not.
I apologise for my tendency believe what you tell us.
 
Lowaicue said:
Prescribed medications are not illegal. Most people have experienced the advantages of prescription drugs. I am surprised that you say some doctors refuse to prescribe the correct medication. Why can't you simply change your doctor or at least question his decision. After all doctors spend up to 6 years before they qualify. They really 'should' know more than the common man about illness. That's why we have doctors, isn't it?
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I did change doctors. Or, rather, searched for a doctor who dealt with pain. My current doctor deals with a lot of elderly so he can recognize when someone is in pain.

The different doctors I saw prescribed the various meds I mentioned. Even after getting the narcotics I saw another "pain specialist" and the first words out of his mouth were, "The first thing we're going to do is get you off those pills" referring to the narcotics. My immediate reply was, "No, that's the last thing we're going to do."

In hindsight I should have held my tongue as he hadn't given me the steroid shot yet. :(

The injection did nothing to help.

One doctor gave me an injection which completely relieved the pain. He explained it was similar to what one receives at a dentist. It "freezes" the nerve but only lasts a few hours. The down side being if the injection missed the spot it may deaden the nerves to my legs resulting in my being unable to walk for a few hours. Not a viable solution.

As for prescribed meds being legal some folks sell the meds. If a doctor prescribes those meds and their patient is caught selling them it means the patient didn't require them and that doesn't look too good on a doctor's file. And don't forget there are dishonest doctors, as well.

My doctor sent me to a pain specialist and the specialist prescribed the meds. I was instructed to increase the dosage until the pain was relieved, then return to my family doctor and let him know the dosage I required. From that point on my doctor refilled the prescription.

It's not an exaggeration to say the meds gave me my life back.

Over the years I've participated in pain forum discussions and many people are suffering due to their doctor refusing to prescribe the proper meds, not to mention those who can't afford them. That is the crime but as Sarah Palin recently stated if entitlement programs are cut people will develop an entrepreneurial spirit but that's for another thread.
 
After all of that fuss, I have to tip my hat to Apple for posting that link. I have no idea what it is, for certain, as I will never dare click on it, but... :cof1:

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Lowaicue said:
I may be wrong but I dont know if you are including first degree and internship in your figures. However I do not see how ALL doctors must prescribe the same meds when doctors specialise. I would not ask my cardiologist to fix a hernia and I would not expect him to advise me on which pain killers might be best following such an op.
What I know of America is what we see and read. That it is an advanced country in all things, obviously it is not. That it has the best system of democracy in the world - obviously it hasn't. That it leads the way in civilised living - obviously it does not. That it is the freest nation on earth - obviously it is not.
I apologise for my tendency believe what you tell us.
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I was friends with a woman who was addicted to pain meds...she doctor shopped quite successfully for 17 years...then her addiction got the better of her and she stole a prescription pad. Her poor dear parents spent 10k helping her to stay out of jail and get into a rehab. Moral of the story? There is none, she got out of rehab and got right back into her pain med shopping in a new state. Even laws can be got around-that is no reason not to have them as it does curb abuse for those that are not terminally stupid.
 
apple0154 said:
I did change doctors. Or, rather, searched for a doctor who dealt with pain. My current doctor deals with a lot of elderly so he can recognize when someone is in pain.

The different doctors I saw prescribed the various meds I mentioned. Even after getting the narcotics I saw another "pain specialist" and the first words out of his mouth were, "The first thing we're going to do is get you off those pills" referring to the narcotics. My immediate reply was, "No, that's the last thing we're going to do."

In hindsight I should have held my tongue as he hadn't given me the steroid shot yet. :(

The injection did nothing to help.

One doctor gave me an injection which completely relieved the pain. He explained it was similar to what one receives at a dentist. It "freezes" the nerve but only lasts a few hours. The down side being if the injection missed the spot it may deaden the nerves to my legs resulting in my being unable to walk for a few hours. Not a viable solution.

As for prescribed meds being legal some folks sell the meds. If a doctor prescribes those meds and their patient is caught selling them it means the patient didn't require them and that doesn't look too good on a doctor's file. And don't forget there are dishonest doctors, as well.

My doctor sent me to a pain specialist and the specialist prescribed the meds. I was instructed to increase the dosage until the pain was relieved, then return to my family doctor and let him know the dosage I required. From that point on my doctor refilled the prescription.

It's not an exaggeration to say the meds gave me my life back.

Over the years I've participated in pain forum discussions and many people are suffering due to their doctor refusing to prescribe the proper meds, not to mention those who can't afford them. That is the crime but as Sarah Palin recently stated if entitlement programs are cut people will develop an entrepreneurial spirit but that's for another thread.
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Some weeks after my heart attack I told the doc I was having trouble sleeping. She (it was a bloody woman!!! ;) ) gave me some pills. I looked them up on the net and found... they should not be prescribed for cardiac patients. Had a lotta fun confronting the hozzy but the outcome was I dont see that doc anymore.
What you say is of some interest since a friend, whose work I often correct, has spent the last few years (and earned her doctorate) studying pain. Thousands of dollars are wasted prescribing unnecessary meds particularly to the 'cognitively disabled'. Many elderly people here and in the UK and I would guess in the US are simply fed stuff to make them easy to manage. One of my great aunts entered a nursing home as a normal but very old widow. But within days she was a drugged up vegetable. We have to fight shit like this.
 
Ice Dancer said:
I was friends with a woman who was addicted to pain meds...she doctor shopped quite successfully for 17 years...then her addiction got the better of her and she stole a prescription pad. Her poor dear parents spent 10k helping her to stay out of jail and get into a rehab. Moral of the story? There is none, she got out of rehab and got right back into her pain med shopping in a new state. Even laws can be got around-that is no reason not to have them as it does curb abuse for those that are not terminally stupid.
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You bring up an interesting point and, as usual, Obama has a solution. :)

If there was a government medical data base doctor shopping in order to get additional meds would be a thing of the past. A doctor in NY would know if a doctor in California wrote a prescription for controlled substances. Also, pharmacists would be able to track prescriptions that had been filled.

Just one more advantage to government medical. ;)
 
apple0154 said:
You bring up an interesting point and, as usual, Obama has a solution. :)

If there was a government medical data base doctor shopping in order to get additional meds would be a thing of the past. A doctor in NY would know if a doctor in California wrote a prescription for controlled substances. Also, pharmacists would be able to track prescriptions that had been filled.

Just one more advantage to government medical. ;)
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that would be great.....I think the government should have a database of people who buy medicinal marijuana too......
 
Lowaicue said:
Some weeks after my heart attack I told the doc I was having trouble sleeping. She (it was a bloody woman!!! ;) ) gave me some pills. I looked them up on the net and found... they should not be prescribed for cardiac patients. Had a lotta fun confronting the hozzy but the outcome was I dont see that doc anymore.

What you say is of some interest since a friend, whose work I often correct, has spent the last few years (and earned her doctorate) studying pain. Thousands of dollars are wasted prescribing unnecessary meds particularly to the 'cognitively disabled'. Many elderly people here and in the UK and I would guess in the US are simply fed stuff to make them easy to manage. One of my great aunts entered a nursing home as a normal but very old widow. But within days she was a drugged up vegetable. We have to fight shit like this.
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The internet is a valuable tool for checking meds. Last year I contracted what my doc thought was Psoriasis and prescribed an ointment. My research turned up a warning that Simvastatin, which my doc prescribed to control high cholesterol, was the culprit. I immediately stopped the meds and my skin cleared up.

I may have a heart attack but at least I will look good! ;)

Note: Apologies to the young folks for turning this thread into an old folks medical bitch session. :lol:
 
apple0154 said:
The internet is a valuable tool for checking meds. Last year I contracted what my doc thought was Psoriasis and prescribed an ointment. My research turned up a warning that Simvastatin, which my doc prescribed to control high cholesterol, was the culprit. I immediately stopped the meds and my skin cleared up.

I may have a heart attack but at least I will look good! ;)

Note: Apologies to the young folks for turning this thread into an old folks medical bitch session. :lol:
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Psoriasis?? Isn't that what parrots get? Stopping Simvastatin means you can really say, 'Who's a pretty boy'.
 
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