UN votes to condemn Vlad's aggression

Well, it's something.

Putin is committing war crimes. What's happening now is bigger than 9/11 or anything in most of our lifetimes. A narcissist lunatic w/ nukes is a worldwide problem.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, it's something.

Putin is committing war crimes. What's happening now is bigger than 9/11 or anything in most of our lifetimes. A narcissist lunatic w/ nukes is a worldwide problem.
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This is bigger than terrorism, gas prices, or trade wars.

This is democracy versus totalitarianism, and the future trajectory of much of Europe. I don't think it is a stretch to say this is not much different than Czechoslovakia in 1938.
 
Cypress said:
This is bigger than terrorism, gas prices, or trade wars.

This is democracy versus totalitarianism, and the future trajectory of much of Europe. I don't think it is a stretch to say this is not much different than Czechoslovakia in 1938.
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The Crisis in Ukraine Has Disturbing Echoes of the 1930s

Russian president has gone from promising to tone down Russia’s supposed military ‘exercises’ along the frontier with Ukraine to launching a full-scale attack on the neighboring country. Russian troops have invaded Ukraine, displacing hundreds of thousands of people who are now seeking refuge in neighboring Poland and Romania.

The real turning point happened in September, when British, French, Italian, and German leaders met in Munich to discuss Hitler’s new claims to the Sudetenland, then a province of the Czechoslovak state. While the Czechs waited in the lobby, the great powers deliberated over their fate. Once negotiations were over, the Czechoslovak president Edvard Benes was presented with a fait accompli and made to sign an agreement to transfer the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. Hitler guaranteed peace and grabbed a piece of Czechoslovakia. By agreeing to negotiate with him, the Western powers effectively turned him into a new arbiter of the international system.

https://time.com/6152294/ukraine-invasion-europe-1930s/
 
guno said:
The Crisis in Ukraine Has Disturbing Echoes of the 1930s

Russian president has gone from promising to tone down Russia’s supposed military ‘exercises’ along the frontier with Ukraine to launching a full-scale attack on the neighboring country. Russian troops have invaded Ukraine, displacing hundreds of thousands of people who are now seeking refuge in neighboring Poland and Romania.

The real turning point happened in September, when British, French, Italian, and German leaders met in Munich to discuss Hitler’s new claims to the Sudetenland, then a province of the Czechoslovak state. While the Czechs waited in the lobby, the great powers deliberated over their fate. Once negotiations were over, the Czechoslovak president Edvard Benes was presented with a fait accompli and made to sign an agreement to transfer the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. Hitler guaranteed peace and grabbed a piece of Czechoslovakia. By agreeing to negotiate with him, the Western powers effectively turned him into a new arbiter of the international system.

https://time.com/6152294/ukraine-invasion-europe-1930s/
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STFU Guno you uneducated fuck.
 
How come- when ALL of the UN except the US and Israel vote to condemn Israel- nobody even mentions it here.

If it's because nobody thinks the UN opinion is worth a cracker then why mention it in this context ?

Does ' hypocrisy ' actually exist in the dictionary or have I invented the word ?
 
moon said:
How come- when ALL of the UN except the US and Israel vote to condemn Israel- nobody even mentions it here.

If it's because nobody thinks the UN opinion is worth a cracker then why mention it in this context ?

Does ' hypocrisy ' actually exist in the dictionary or have I invented the word ?
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I think the US should take a harder line against Zionist land grabs in the West Bank, and the UN is fully justified in condemning the Israeli government when it doesn't live up to international obligations and agreements.

Do you still cling to the position that dear Vlad's war on Ukraine was fully justified and morally warranted?
 
Cypress said:
UN votes to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and calls for withdrawal

In an emergency session, 141 of the 193 member states voted for the resolution, 35 abstained and five voted against
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The only countries that voted with Russia were Belarus, North Korea, Syria and Eritrea. Cuba and Venezuela joined China in abstaining.
 
Cypress said:
I think the US should take a harder line against Zionist land grabs in the West Bank, and the UN is fully justified in condemning the Israeli government when it doesn't live up to international obligations and agreements.
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You are then, in fact, acknowledging US hypocrisy .

Do you still cling to the position that dear Vlad's war on Ukraine was fully justified and morally warranted?
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The invasion was illegal. War is illegal. This war was entirely unnecessary and I do not condone it.
I say the same whenever the US invades and crushes other countries- which is frequently.
So my stance is not in support of Russia's action- it's in support of Russia's own right to security which NATO exists to trash.
 
The five countries that voted against the UN Resolution are:

Russia
North Korea
Belarus
Syria
Eritrea
 
moon said:
You are then, in fact, acknowledging US hypocrisy .



The invasion was illegal. War is illegal. This war was entirely unnecessary and I do not condone it.
I say the same whenever the US invades and crushes other countries- which is frequently.
So my stance is not in support of Russia's action- it's in support of Russia's own right to security which NATO exists to trash.
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Good to see you changing your tune.

Yes, Putin's war is illegal, immoral, and criminal

A few days ago you were toasting it as fully justified and warranted.
 
moon said:
How about the other 30-odd that abstained ?
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I corresponded 30 minutes ago with a friend of mine in Kiev who is huddled in a bomb shelter with her friends while Vlad's army shells the city.

I am not interested in your attempt to spit hairs to imply that China's abstention was a moral victory for Dear Vlad.
 
US ambassador to the UN tells Russian soldiers 'your leaders are lying to you' as she urges them not to commit war crimes

The US ambassador to the UN urged Russian soldiers not to commit war crimes in Ukraine.
"Your leaders are lying to you," Linda Thomas-Greenfield said during a General Assembly meeting.
UN member states passed a resolution on Wednesday condemning Russia's attack on Ukraine.
US Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield pleaded with Russian soldiers not to commit war crimes during their attacks on Ukraine.

"Your leaders are lying to you — do not commit war crimes, do everything you can to put down your weapons and leave Ukraine," she said during a special session of the UN General Assembly in New York on Wednesday.

She added: "In every step of the war, Russia has betrayed the United Nations. Russia's actions go against everything this body stands for."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rges-them-not-to-commit-war-crimes/ar-AAUwrF9
 
This is a defining moment in history.

It's valuable to see who chose to side w/ evil internationally, and who continues to apologize & make excuses for it domestically.

History's lessons sometimes need repetition. Unfortunately.
 
Cypress said:
Good to see you changing your tune.

Yes, Putin's war is illegal, immoral, and criminal

A few days ago you were toasting it as fully justified and warranted.
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No, it's simply illegal- just like those of the US. Although war itself is immoral Russia's reasons for it are not.

No 'change of tune ' here, incidentally.
 
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