UK considering providing the Challenger 2 main battle tank to Ukrainian forces

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'Britannia rules the waves'

Don't look for sympathy, maggot- it's been ' Britannia waives the rules ' for far too long.


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serendipity said:
50 Challengers and a couple hundred Leopards should do the trick!

To help Ukraine win we must give them fifty Challenger tanks, not just 12, writes General Lord Richard Dannatt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...DANNATT-Ukraine-50-tanks-not-12-help-win.html
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During the Cold War, the West was wary of the Soviet T-72 tank. Its self-loading weapons technology appeared to make it lighter, faster and more deadly than British tanks, and enabled it to operate with a crew of just three, instead of the usual four.

But the Ukraine war has exposed its shocking vulnerability. The self-loading system means the ammunition is stored in the turret – and a direct hit from a shell will make the whole thing explode. It’s a death-trap for its crew.

The British Challenger II, by contrast, is superbly protected by its modern armour, capable of withstanding a hit from a T-72.

And we have plenty to spare, given the current plans by the Ministry of Defence and the Army to wind down our tank regiments and armoured infantry battalions.

We have in excess of 200 Challenger IIs, but the MoD has plans to upgrade only 136 of these for use. That leaves more than 50 on the side-lines. If we don’t need them, the Ukrainians certainly do.

By the same logic, our Warrior fighting vehicles are destined for the scrapheap, because the Army does not have the budget to refurbish them. Surely, it’s far better to give them to Zelensky than to dump them?

For 20 years Britain has been conducting tank exercises in Poland. Shipping 50 Challengers and Warriors to Eastern Europe would present no insuperable logistical problems.

And though Ukrainian crews would have only a few weeks to learn how to manoeuvre and maintain the tanks, they will be highly motivated. Our instructors can quickly make them sufficiently battle-ready.

The US, France and Germany have already pledged to provide Ukraine with armoured fighting vehicles, but seeing our commitment could spur them to be braver and send even more weapons.

I predict this equipment can enable Zelensky to mount a counter-offensive that ends the war.

That in turn will have major benefits for Britain, not only by halting Russian aggression and probably ousting Putin, but by reducing the international tensions that have created the energy crisis.

If Russian gas and oil start to flow to the West again at sensible prices, our cost of living pressures will ease.

For everybody’s sake, and most of all for the innocent families in Ukraine, we have to do all we can to end this terrible war.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...DANNATT-Ukraine-50-tanks-not-12-help-win.html
 
serendipity said:
During the Cold War, the West was wary of the Soviet T-72 tank. Its self-loading weapons technology appeared to make it lighter, faster and more deadly than British tanks, and enabled it to operate with a crew of just three, instead of the usual four.

But the Ukraine war has exposed its shocking vulnerability. The self-loading system means the ammunition is stored in the turret – and a direct hit from a shell will make the whole thing explode. It’s a death-trap for its crew.

The British Challenger II, by contrast, is superbly protected by its modern armour, capable of withstanding a hit from a T-72.

And we have plenty to spare, given the current plans by the Ministry of Defence and the Army to wind down our tank regiments and armoured infantry battalions.

We have in excess of 200 Challenger IIs, but the MoD has plans to upgrade only 136 of these for use. That leaves more than 50 on the side-lines. If we don’t need them, the Ukrainians certainly do.

By the same logic, our Warrior fighting vehicles are destined for the scrapheap, because the Army does not have the budget to refurbish them. Surely, it’s far better to give them to Zelensky than to dump them?

For 20 years Britain has been conducting tank exercises in Poland. Shipping 50 Challengers and Warriors to Eastern Europe would present no insuperable logistical problems.

And though Ukrainian crews would have only a few weeks to learn how to manoeuvre and maintain the tanks, they will be highly motivated. Our instructors can quickly make them sufficiently battle-ready.

The US, France and Germany have already pledged to provide Ukraine with armoured fighting vehicles, but seeing our commitment could spur them to be braver and send even more weapons.

I predict this equipment can enable Zelensky to mount a counter-offensive that ends the war.

That in turn will have major benefits for Britain, not only by halting Russian aggression and probably ousting Putin, but by reducing the international tensions that have created the energy crisis.

If Russian gas and oil start to flow to the West again at sensible prices, our cost of living pressures will ease.

For everybody’s sake, and most of all for the innocent families in Ukraine, we have to do all we can to end this terrible war.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...DANNATT-Ukraine-50-tanks-not-12-help-win.html
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The Challenger 2 is so good that in not many years zero will be left in the British fleet, IF the Brits can make the Challenger 3 (the rebuild) happen...which is not exactly a sure thing. .
 
I suspect that the UK does not actually have anywhere near 200 functioning tanks, and if they were to give Ukraine tanks in the next year or so it would be the best ones that would be given away, and that they would need to dig into the stock of worse ones to replace them....making the Challenger 3 program more expensive. Not a small thing either is that the first Challenger 3 is not due till 2027....and we know how timelines can slip.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The last Challenger came off the line over 20 years ago. The Brits wanted to build a new tank but they dont have the money nor do they have the manufacturing ability...supply chains and all that. So they decided to remanufacture the Challengers, but they dont even have the money to do that, so they plan to do only 2/3 of the 227 they have left of the 386 they built...the rest are to be scraped.

Not a good look.
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How do you scrape a tank?
 
serendipity said:
Holy fuck are you pissed again? Lord Dannatt suggested that 50 ought to be enough to be a game changer along with Warrior infantry fighting vehicles as well.
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Is Lord Donut one of your role-models , maggot ?


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moon said:
Bollox.
Putin was getting along fine with the EU until Uncle Slam decided he couldn't control his population without a bogey-man to scare it with.
Russian businesses were integrated with European partners. Same with the Chinese. The world was merrily using all manner of Chinese tech. until El Trumpo poisoned the well
You're an establishment moron. Fuck off and enlist with the Zelenskies.
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You're a towel head savage and a Putin cock holster., Moon Why do you even bother expressing opinions about which no relevant people care?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You're a towel head savage and a Putin cock holster., Moon Why do you even bother expressing opinions about which no relevant people care?
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Oh, they care, dumbass- they're just denied the truth by establishment boot-lickers such as yourself .

Stfu and get out of the road.
 
moon said:
Oh, they care, dumbass- they're just denied the truth by establishment boot-lickers such as yourself .

Stfu and get out of the road.
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No. I think not. I'll stick around and watch your karma manifest itself into you being perpetually ridiculed.
It doesn't look as it it's going to stop for a while.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
No. I think not. I'll stick around and watch your karma manifest itself into you being perpetually ridiculed.
It doesn't look as it it's going to stop for a while.
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Just link to a couple of authoritative examples, mendacious dumbass.

Your own lampooning continues here.


Haw, haw.........................haw.
 
moon said:
Just link to a couple of authoritative examples, mendacious dumbass.

Your own lampooning continues here.


Haw, haw.........................haw.
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Haw, haw, haw. The towelhead savage even makes animal sounds. Fuck her/him/it with a rusty fishing knife. Useless piece of shit.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Haw, haw, haw. The towelhead savage even makes animal sounds. Fuck her/him/it with a rusty fishing knife. Useless piece of shit.
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So you cannot provide any links and you've chosen to troll me, dumbass. OK- you're subject to reprisal.
 
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