Uh-Oh

CNBC?

Really?

Even with their pitiful track record?

Now I understand why everything you say sounds so crazy...you been listening to Kramer!

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Kramer is an idiot and is one of the morons that is trying to prop this thing up by avoiding the harsher news. He in no way is of the same mindset as me regarding the economy. He is a shill... nothing more.
 
CNBC is the source the majority of Americans get their news on the economy. If you think it is from the nightly news, you are wrong. They listen to the idiots on CNBC. We listen to them so that we know what we have to communicate to our clients to combat the stupidity they get from CNBC.


You're out of your fucking mind. CNBC's all-time peak rating is about 700,000. The adult population of the United States is over 200,000,000. Do the math.

Have you considered for a moment that you and your clients are not representative of the typical American?


Edit: Still waiting to find out who "they" are?
 
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Kramer is an idiot and is one of the morons that is trying to prop this thing up by avoiding the harsher news. He in no way is of the same mindset as me regarding the economy. He is a shill... nothing more.

But you still believe in destroying middle class america with globalization treachery.
 
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Kramer is an idiot and is one of the morons that is trying to prop this thing up by avoiding the harsher news. He in no way is of the same mindset as me regarding the economy. He is a shill... nothing more.

Then we agree...

The stink of Kramer's incompetence completely engulfs CNBC.

The very same CNBC you claim to watch for hours a day, every day.
 
You're out of your fucking mind. CNBC's all-time peak rating is about 700,000. The adult population of the United States is over 200,000,000. Do the math.

Have you considered for a moment that you and your clients are not representative of the typical American?


Edit: Still waiting to find out who "they" are?

LMAO... so you think if they are not watching all at once that they must not be watching? Given that my clients come from most walks of life... yeah, I would say they are representative of the country. I have clients in 18 states, union/nonunion, Democrat/Rep/Independent, Religious right/atheist, hispanic/black/white/Native American, very wealthy/modest savers...

Are they all encompassing.... No.... but I do have a pretty good sampling of the country and I know where they get their info regarding the economy.

Tell us... where is your perception derived from?

as for the 'they'.... the media/politico/wall street (specifically those firms running the major computer trading platforms)

The politicians: because regardless of party.... incumbents don't want any focus on people losing money right as they are up for re-election.

The media: because they do what they are told

Wall Street: because they are scared of what would happen during another major downturn. That bad debt is still sitting there and a market downturn would lead businesses to hold off on hiring which would escalate the bad debt blowing up on them.
 
Then we agree...

The stink of Kramer's incompetence completely engulfs CNBC.

The very same CNBC you claim to watch for hours a day, every day.

Yes, just as I read piece of shit publications like Money, Kiplingers and the NY Times. I have to know what my clients are seeing/reading/hearing in order to be prepared to combat the misinformation.
 
LMAO... so you think if they are not watching all at once that they must not be watching? Given that my clients come from most walks of life... yeah, I would say they are representative of the country. I have clients in 18 states, union/nonunion, Democrat/Rep/Independent, Religious right/atheist, hispanic/black/white/Native American, very wealthy/modest savers...

Are they all encompassing.... No.... but I do have a pretty good sampling of the country and I know where they get their info regarding the economy.

Tell us... where is your perception derived from?


Get real. On CNBC's best ratings day of all time only 0.3% of the adult population of the United States watched. Yet, you claim that a majority of people get their economic news from CNBC. Think about that for a second. Do you understand how fucking crazy your claim is?


as for the 'they'.... the media/politico/wall street (specifically those firms running the major computer trading platforms)

The politicians: because regardless of party.... incumbents don't want any focus on people losing money right as they are up for re-election.

The media: because they do what they are told

Wall Street: because they are scared of what would happen during another major downturn. That bad debt is still sitting there and a market downturn would lead businesses to hold off on hiring which would escalate the bad debt blowing up on them.

Well, that clarifies things.
 
Wrong. The market moves ahead of consumer confidence. The market responds to the data. With the exception of the unemployment numbers, the average person doesn't know what to make of the economic data. Consumer confidence lags the market, but moves in correlation.

Where is consumer confidence sitting at today? How about last Tuesday? How about September 23? How about September 9? September 12? September 6? What about the DOW on those dates?

Do you see a problem with your analysis yet?


You are right... the average person wouldn't know what the market closed at on a particular day. But I bet the average person knows it was up big in September.... or at least they will when they get their quarterly statements in a couple days.

If the unemployment number changed daily, they wouldn't know that either. But it is a monthly number at it doesn't move very fast. So it is far easier to keep track of.


Whatever. I see no point in arguing this.
 
Where is consumer confidence sitting at today? How about last Tuesday? How about September 23? How about September 9? September 12? September 6? What about the DOW on those dates?

Do you see a problem with your analysis yet?

Yes, the problem with my analysis is I gave it at far too high a level for you to comprehend. Again you fucking moron.... I am NOT stating that people are going to know where any of the numbers are for a specific date. Nor are they going to say the Dow was at 'x' on the last day of a month. But you are a complete fucking moron if you don't think they comprehend the general move of the market.

Consumer confidence is NOT a daily number you idiot. It is also not one that consumers are likely to know. But that doesn't matter. What does matter is the correlation. When consumers are surveyed (that is how they get the consumer confidence numbers), they respond based on how they think things are going. When consumers see the market and their investments going up... they become more positive. When they see them going down, they get more pessimistic.

So enough of your 'they don't know the exact numbers on a specific date' bullshit. It is irrelevant. Ask any economist what drives consumer confidence. I would be willing to bet they don't know the EXACT unemployment number for their state or the nation either.



Whatever. I see no point in arguing this.

that is because you are a fucking idiot and have no clue what you are talking about.
 
Yes, the problem with my analysis is I gave it at far too high a level for you to comprehend. Again you fucking moron.... I am NOT stating that people are going to know where any of the numbers are for a specific date. Nor are they going to say the Dow was at 'x' on the last day of a month. But you are a complete fucking moron if you don't think they comprehend the general move of the market.

Consumer confidence is NOT a daily number you idiot. It is also not one that consumers are likely to know. But that doesn't matter. What does matter is the correlation. When consumers are surveyed (that is how they get the consumer confidence numbers), they respond based on how they think things are going. When consumers see the market and their investments going up... they become more positive. When they see them going down, they get more pessimistic.

So enough of your 'they don't know the exact numbers on a specific date' bullshit. It is irrelevant. Ask any economist what drives consumer confidence. I would be willing to bet they don't know the EXACT unemployment number for their state or the nation either.

I guess you didn't really get my point. It is difficult to know whether consumer confidence moves with the market or not because the two are not measured on a daily basis. Thus, consumer confidence could improve at the same time the markets improve based on the same information but because it is only measured at the end of the month you assert a correlation and imply causation where it's likely that none exists.

And maybe you could explain to me how consumer confidence took a dive in September while the markets rallied. Based on what you are saying we should have seen a rise in consumer confidence over August. We didn't. The DOW was up 10% or so in September while consumer confidence dipped 4.7 points. Where's your correlation now, hotshot?


that is because you are a fucking idiot and have no clue what you are talking about.

Fargle Bargle.
 
I guess you didn't really get my point. It is difficult to know whether consumer confidence moves with the market or not because the two are not measured on a daily basis. Thus, consumer confidence could improve at the same time the markets improve based on the same information but because it is only measured at the end of the month you assert a correlation and imply causation where it's likely that none exists.

I will let you in on a secret.... the market assimilates data far faster than ANY individual can. That is because it moves based on the accumulative knowledge of all investors. You are simply trying to spin as fast as you can because you want to argue. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about on this issue.

And maybe you could explain to me how consumer confidence took a dive in September while the markets rallied. Based on what you are saying we should have seen a rise in consumer confidence over August. We didn't. The DOW was up 10% or so in September while consumer confidence dipped 4.7 points. Where's your correlation now, hotshot?

Yeah... it is quite simple... which again is still probably too complex for a moron like you.

1) First off, they are not PERFECTLY correlated. Meaning there will be times when the confidence numbers don't track. But in general they do. Your stupid one point attempt at a gotcha is like someone saying 'hey, it was cooler today than yesterday.... thus global warming is not being caused by man'

2) Second... the consumer confidence number released for September had a cutoff date of September 21st. The data was accumulated the week prior to that. This is why the consumer confidence number tends to lag the market moves. The individuals interviewed answered based on August statements and the market moves in the first half of September (at most). So what was the consumer seeing??? They saw that the market was DOWN in August and while it had recovered a little, the bulk of the upswing happened AFTER the data cut off.

Any other questions moron?
 
I will let you in on a secret.... the market assimilates data far faster than ANY individual can. That is because it moves based on the accumulative knowledge of all investors. You are simply trying to spin as fast as you can because you want to argue. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about on this issue.


Look, post your data if you are so damned convinced of your position. Show me the DOW, consumer confidence and unemployment figures and we'll see what the data shows instead of you argument from assertion.



Yeah... it is quite simple... which again is still probably too complex for a moron like you.

1) First off, they are not PERFECTLY correlated. Meaning there will be times when the confidence numbers don't track. But in general they do. Your stupid one point attempt at a gotcha is like someone saying 'hey, it was cooler today than yesterday.... thus global warming is not being caused by man'

Or maybe there's just a soft correlation and no causation because maybe the two are influenced by the same factors as opposed to one tracking the other? Maybe?

2) Second... the consumer confidence number released for September had a cutoff date of September 21st. The data was accumulated the week prior to that. This is why the consumer confidence number tends to lag the market moves. The individuals interviewed answered based on August statements and the market moves in the first half of September (at most). So what was the consumer seeing??? They saw that the market was DOWN in August and while it had recovered a little, the bulk of the upswing happened AFTER the data cut off.

Any other questions moron?


First, can you post what the DOW closed at on September 21 and what the DOW closed at September 30?

Second, since you want to pretend that "most of the upswing happened after the data cut off," can you post the delta between the DOW opening on the first of the month and close on the 21st and opening on the 22nd and close on the 30th?
 
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What kind of moron becomes turned off by the contents of the Contract with America/Pledge to America? I can understand them simply not believing that the GOP will deliver and go through with it, but to just look at it and say, "that's bad for America" is stupidity of the lowest order.
Well you do have a point there. Considering it's almost complete lack of specifics it would be hard to tell it would good, bad or indifferent. Be that as it may, it's still the same tired old bull shit.
 
Well you do have a point there. Considering it's almost complete lack of specifics it would be hard to tell it would good, bad or indifferent. Be that as it may, it's still the same tired old bull shit.

You're right, sound policy is bullshit. This from the guy who's libertarian strawperson opposes sound government, I think you need to rework your spamming style. Hot chicks works for me, for example...
 
You're right, sound policy is bullshit. This from the guy who's libertarian strawperson opposes sound government, I think you need to rework your spamming style. Hot chicks works for me, for example...


For you, sir:

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LMAO.... the fact they think it has to do with Obama campaigning is quite amusing.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the stock market rebounding sharply in September.

It IS the economy stupid and the lay person looks at the Dow and S&P as a loose gauge of the economy. They see their investments go up a bit and they think... maybe things are starting to improve.

Also... races almost always get closer as the election nears. Even with the recent polls, the Reps are STILL set to retake the House (buh bye Speaker Pelosi)... and they are still set to pick up 7-8 Senate seats and about 6-8 governorships.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_elections_senate_map.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/2010_elections_governor_map.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html


The NYSE has no bearing on the economy. Go to the U.S. Dept of Commerce website and type "leading economic indicators" into the search function. You will not find any stock market info in the economic indicators. Why? Because in order to be an indicator, there must be a consistent statistical relationship between the indicator and that which it is meant to predict, Not counting the current recession, which is not yet over, in the seven most recent recessions, the DJI was up in two of them, down in two, and even in three. There is no consistent relationship between the movement of the DJI or the S&P 500, and the movement of the economy.

Nobody gives a rat's ass what the Dow is doing, because it isn't creating jobs, and if you don't have a job, and have been out of work for a while, you also don't have any stocks to track.

The Dems' poll numbers are going up because they are ignoring the inside the beltway common wisdom which says the GOP is going to retake both houses of congress, and they're actually being aggressive with their GOP opponents, especially if the opponent is a batshit-crazy Teabagger (I know, that's redundant), with absurd ideas the GOP is frantically trying to paper over in order to pretend those yahoos are mainstream, which they in no way are. Sharon Angle is such a nutbag that two prominent Nevada Republicans have actually endorsed Harry Reid. The GOP is trying to make this election a referendum on Obama, but with the president out campaigning and reminding the base and independents of the fact that the GOP's tax cuts for the rich are what nearly brought down the country and its economy, and framing the election as a choice to continue moving forward or a return to the GOP's failed past policies, which the GOP in their arrogance and stupidity has admitted are the same policies they are going to pursue if they retake the house and senate. They and their anonymous contributors have counted their winnings before the poker game is finished and have seriously overplayed their hand. Watch and see if the Chamber of Commerce scandal doesn't negate the effect of the attack ads they are running, which the public is going to view with considerably more skepticism than they were just a week ago. up, just like 2006 and 2008, the GOP is busy stepping on their own dicks with golf shoes. They are the party of NO: pure obstructionism and no fresh ideas, and the Dems have found their soft spot. No, the Dems have not done a great job fulfilling the agenda they were elected to carry out, but as LBJ said, "There's nothing like stepping in a cow flop to make tripping over a stone seem enjoyable." Inexplicably, the GOP is actively pursuing the role of cow flop, resorting to the same old lies, but with an e lunatic cast of characters from the tin-foil hat fringe. This could turn out to be the end of the GOP as a national party, unseated by their own hubris. And it coiuldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of old white men. Their scare tactics aren't working any more because their candidates are scarier than anything the Dems could come up with.
 
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The NYSE has no bearing on the economy. Go to the U.S. Dept of Commerce website and type "leading economic indicators" into the search function. You will not find any stock market info in the economic indicators. Why? Because in order to be an indicator, there must be a consistent statistical relationship between the indicator and that which it is meant to predict, Not counting the current recession, which is not yet over, in the seven most recent recessions, the DJI was up in two of them, down in two, and even in three. There is no consistent relationship between the movement of the DJI or the S&P 500, and the movement of the economy.

Nobody gives a rat's ass what the Dow is doing, because it isn't creating jobs, and if you don't have a job, and have been out of work for a while, you also don't have any stocks to track.

The Dems' poll numbers are going up because they are ignoring the inside the beltway common wisdom which says the GOP is going to retake both houses of congress, and they're actually being aggressive with their GOP opponents, especially if the opponent is a batshit-crazy Teabagger (I know, that's redundant), with absurd ideas the GOP is frantically trying to paper over in order to pretend those yahoos are mainstream, which they in no way are. Sharon Angle is such a nutbag that two prominent Nevada Republicans have actually endorsed Harry Reid. The GOP is trying to make this election a referendum on Obama, but with the president out campaigning and reminding the base and independents of the fact that the GOP's tax cuts for the rich are what nearly brought down the country and its economy, and framing the election as a choice to continue moving forward or a return to the GOP's failed past policies, which the GOP in their arrogance and stupidity has admitted are the same policies they are going to pursue if they retake the house and senate. They and their anonymous contributors have counted their winnings before the poker game is finished and have seriously overplayed their hand. Watch and see if the Chamber of Commerce scandal doesn't negate the effect of the attack ads they are running, which the public is going to view with considerably more skepticism than they were just a week ago. up, just like 2006 and 2008, the GOP is busy stepping on their own dicks with golf shoes. They are the party of NO: pure obstructionism and no fresh ideas, and the Dems have found their soft spot. No, the Dems have not done a great job fulfilling the agenda they were elected to carry out, but as LBJ said, "There's nothing like stepping in a cow flop to make tripping over a stone seem enjoyable." Inexplicably, the GOP is actively pursuing the role of cow flop, resorting to the same old lies, but with an e lunatic cast of characters from the tin-foil hat fringe. This could turn out to be the end of the GOP as a national party, unseated by their own hubris. And it coiuldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of old white men. Their scare tactics aren't working any more because their candidates are scarier than anything the Dems could come up with.

Dude, as a golf fanatic that is a painful metaphor (and one I've never heard before) 'stepping on your dick with your golf shoes???'. OUCH!!!

Zoom, I don't know if playing golf will ever be the same. haha...
 
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