Uh-oh. Don Jr. Texts are giant smoking cannon. Coup is confirmed.

BidenPresident said:
Mueller explicitly stated that "collusion" is a meaningless concept and dropped on page two. He was investigating criminal conspiracy.
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As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel's investigation established that
Russia interference in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a
Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.
Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence
service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers
working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also
identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although
the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump
presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian
government in its election interference activities.
 
Concart said:
So why do you suppose Trump wanted to obstruct the investigation? Seriously. An innocent person doesn't obstruct an investigation.
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Because Trump has business relations in Russia. Having multi-million dollar resort deals with Putin through a few proxies is not collusion to overthrow the election. They were business buds. It's why his tax returns haven't been released to the public....even though Mueller might have gotten a synopsis. LOL
 
ZenMode said:
No doubt that the Trump campaign was quite happy to have Russia helping his cause. That's not collusion/conspiracy.

The current administration has every opportunity to bring obstruction charges against Trump, but has chosen not to. Mueller made it clear that he was not going to bring charges or make definitive statements on whether or not he thought Trump colluded. But, at this point, if you believe that Trump colluded, then it's not based on the facts of the Mueller investigation.
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Listen you right fools: Trump made up the concept of "collusion" because he knew that was a meaningless concept. You fell for it.
 
ZenMode said:
As set forth in detail in this repo1t, the Special Counsel's investigation established that
Russia interfere~ in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a
Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.
Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence
service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers
working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also
identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although
the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump
presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian
government in its election interference activities.
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Page two of Mueller's report, "collusion" is a meaningless term.
 
ZenMode said:
As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel's investigation established that
Russia interference in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a
Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.
Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence
service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers
working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also
identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although
the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump
presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian
government in its election interference activities.
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Source the text, I don't read plagiarized material.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Because Trump has business relations in Russia. Having multi-million dollar resort deals with Putin through a few proxies is not collusion to overthrow the election. They were business buds. It's why his tax returns haven't been released to the public....even though Mueller might have gotten a synopsis. LOL
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No question. The concern of course is how much does Trump owe to Russians. I have a feeling that's the one piece of information that worries Trump the most.
 
Concart said:
Strawman. I never said that. You are deflecting. The ONLY thing the official Republican party stands for is loyalty to Trump. That's it. It is a morally corrupt party. Anyone that belongs to that party and does not speak out against those positions is complicit. Simple as that. Cowards to the last man and woman.
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You most definitely implied that Trump colluded/conspired/coordinated with Russia:

So why do you suppose Trump wanted to obstruct the investigation? Seriously. An innocent person doesn't obstruct an investigation.


The unfortunate reality is that denying the lie of a stolen election puts you at risk of losing re-election. Calling out Trump, just as any Dem calling out Obama, is going to put you at risk of losing re-election.
 
ZenMode said:
You most definitely implied that Trump colluded/conspired/coordinated with Russia:

So why do you suppose Trump wanted to obstruct the investigation? Seriously. An innocent person doesn't obstruct an investigation.


The unfortunate reality is that denying the lie of a stolen election puts you at risk of losing re-election. Calling out Trump, just as any Dem calling out Obama, is going to put you at risk of losing re-election.
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No, I asked a question. Your only answer was 'Trump is a moron'. On that we agree. I didn't bring up Russia, you did. Yep, calling out Trump puts you at risk of losing re-election. But at that point, what exactly do you stand for? I'd prefer my representatives to do their job instead of spending every waking moment trying to keep their job. Failing to call out Trump is cowardice. I am uninterested in being represented by a coward who lacks integrity. See: Marco Rubio. I prefer someone who is willing to tell their supporters that his opponent isn't a demon. See: John McCain.
 
ZenMode said:
No doubt that the Trump campaign was quite happy to have Russia helping his cause. That's not collusion/conspiracy.

The current administration has every opportunity to bring obstruction charges against Trump, but has chosen not to. Mueller made it clear that he was not going to bring charges or make definitive statements on whether or not he thought Trump colluded. But, at this point, if you believe that Trump colluded, then it's not based on the facts of the Mueller investigation.
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Agreed but it makes me wonder why his people lied about their actions with the Russians.
 
Concart said:
No, I asked a question. Your only answer was 'Trump is a moron'. On that we agree. I didn't bring up Russia, you did. Yep, calling out Trump puts you at risk of losing re-election. But at that point, what exactly do you stand for? I'd prefer my representatives to do their job instead of spending every waking moment trying to keep their job. Failing to call out Trump is cowardice. I am uninterested in being represented by a coward who lacks integrity. See: Marco Rubio. I prefer someone who is willing to tell their supporters that his opponent isn't a demon. See: John McCain.
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Probably because they want to stay in office and try to do good. Hillary reminded BLM protesters of the same thing - you can't impact legislation and cause real change if you aren't in office and that means sometimes making deals with the other side
 
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Concart said:
No question. The concern of course is how much does Trump owe to Russians. I have a feeling that's the one piece of information that worries Trump the most.
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Who does he owe the $400M loan to? I have no doubt Putin has a hook in Trump but it could be of a few different natures.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ump-acknowledges-400-million-debt/3673873001/
While discussing the issue of his taxes, President Donald Trump did not deny that he owes entities about $400 million, and pledged to tell Americans to whom he owes money.

“I will not mind at all saying who it is,” Trump said Thursday, during a live town hall on NBC. He said he doesn’t owe money to Russians, and said of whether he owes to any foreign interests, “Not that I know of.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/us/trump-taxes.html
$421 Million in Debt: Trump Calls It ‘a Peanut,’ but Challenges Lie Ahead
The president on Thursday played down big loans he guaranteed for his struggling businesses. But much of that debt is soon to come due in the midst of declining revenue and an I.R.S. audit that could cost him over $100 million.
Mr. Trump had to personally guarantee $421 million in debt, a rare step that lenders only require of businesses that may not be able to repay. The commitment puts his assets on the line and could place his lenders, should he be re-elected, in the position of deciding whether to foreclose on a sitting president.

The personal guarantee also speaks to why, despite Mr. Trump’s assertion that banks are eager to lend him money, nearly all the money he borrowed in the last decade came from only two institutions....
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ZenMode said:
Probably because they want to stay in office and try to do good. Hillary reminded BLM protesters of the same thing - you can't impact legislation and cause real change if you aren't in office and that means sometimes making deals with the other side
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Yep. But when you sacrifice your integrity for a party that literally has NO AGENDA, that's not about doing good. MTG is not about 'doing good'. Josh Hawley is not about 'doing good'. Jim Jordan is not about 'doing good'. Kevin McCarthy is not about 'doing good'. And they have given away every ounce of integrity they had. My take.
 
Concart said:
Yep. But when you sacrifice your integrity for a party that literally has NO AGENDA, that's not about doing good. MTG is not about 'doing good'. Josh Hawley is not about 'doing good'. Jim Jordan is not about 'doing good'. Kevin McCarthy is not about 'doing good'. And they have given away every ounce of integrity they had. My take.
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My take as well.
 
Concart said:
Yep. But when you sacrifice your integrity for a party that literally has NO AGENDA, that's not about doing good. MTG is not about 'doing good'. Josh Hawley is not about 'doing good'. Jim Jordan is not about 'doing good'. Kevin McCarthy is not about 'doing good'. And they have given away every ounce of integrity they had. My take.
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No offense, but I don't suspect you are highly informed on the quality people in the Republican party and what they believe in or want to do.
 
ZenMode said:
A few thousand crazy people think it's ok. I'm certain that the entire Rep party wasn't there. A miniscule percentage, actually.
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The crazies were there at the behest of the Republican President. The Republicans Party wants to give them all a pass and aims to stop all investigations if they win the House in November.
 
ZenMode said:
No offense, but I don't suspect you are highly informed on the quality people in the Republican party and what they believe in or want to do.
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Oh, my bad….let me check the Republican platform. Oh wait….there isn’t one. I guess I should check McConnells legislative agenda. Oh wait, there isn’t one. All due respect but you appear uninformed about what the Republican Party officially stands for . Nothing. But hey, at least we’re stopping Jewish space lasers and pedophile rings in pizza parlors. Great party there. Great people? Who? Puhlease.
 
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