UFO's.....old hat, new interests.

Geeko Sportivo said:
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So you're comparing military and governmental verification of UFO's to tabloid fodder? A bit of a stretch to debunk something, wouldn't you say?
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So you are trying to sell me that there is Military and Government VERIFICATION of UFO's!! I could have told you that!

A UFO is simply an UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. The Military and the government is not saying that they've "identified" any FLYING OBJECTS, as by trying to imply they have IDENTIFIED the FO's as being from some Alien source, as what you are implying here- BUT YES THERE ARE SIGHTINGS OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS- JUST AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THEY HAVE WITNESSED THEM SINCE THE PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT. DUH!

SO NOTHING NEW HERE! NOTHING IDENTIFIED HERE.

LET US KNOW WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OR MILITARY VERIFIES AN "IDENTIFIED" FLYING OBJECT- IDENTIFIED AS BEING AN "ALIEN SPACECRAFT" not of this world!

Now that would naturally be a Scientific breakthrough and some useful information.

Jesus Christ- Did you really need the Military or Government to tell you- "SAY, THERE ARE ACTUAL UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS?

In this case, the Military may as well as just admitted- "We know Unidentified BIRDS do exist, because we witnessed a couple of them flying over the airport!

SO WHAT?

Pay attention to what they are actually saying- AND IT IS NOT ANYTHING WE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW!

Hilarious!
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1. So if you agree with the OP, then WTF are you rambling on about?

2. Pay attention, genius. The OP acknowledges that the military NEVER commits to a declarative statement as to extra-terrestrial origin of UFO's. They ALWAYS hedge their bets when ex- officials and personnel of high credibility decide to blow the whistle. Why are you having a hissy fit over a moot point? Try comprehending what you read instead of this knee jerk reaction to what you perceive.

3. What's hilarious is the sheer arrogant stupidity of your post, which essentially misconstrues the OP and essentially ignores the subsequent exchanges. Clearly, you have some issue with me....get over it and learn to read carefully and comprehensively. It'll save everyone time and effort...especially your silly little meme. Carry on.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
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No it's not....unless you have members of the Royal Navy coming out and testifying that they had visual and/or sonar contact with some huge animal in Loch Ness.
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It may be a mystery as to what the Royal Navy witnessed- But unless they can identify what it was- This is not really anything to write home to mother about!

THIS IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS!

DO THEY EXIST- SURE- LOTS OF UNIDENTIFIED THINGS HAS BEEN WITNESSED BEFORE FLYING ABOUT!

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL HERE BRO?
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Once again, you proud, arrogant ignorance of a subject mares your ability to understand what I'm posting here.

Pay attention: I'm pointing out that your comparison is WRONG! Because as far as I know, the Royal Navy of Britain has NOT made any major endeavors to authenticate the existence of the Loch Ness monster. And since no such similar creatures are alledge to be roaming around other waters in the UK, so there would be no need to.

UFO's are an INTERNATIONAL PHENOMENA THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON BEFORE YOU AND I WERE BORN. The "big deal here, bro" is that no other phenomena has had extensive military verification (mechanical, eye witness) for well over 70 years (a significant number for folks of your mindset for some reason). The conclusive evidence is staggering....hell, the decision for military actions against other countries/nations have been initiated on less corroborative intel.

Jokers like you just put cognitive reasoning and critical thinking on hold and go into a one mantra mock mode. As seen on this thread, that is just and absurd and sometimes childish stance to take. But due continue, because only the man you see in the mirror thinks you're clever.
 
Cypress said:
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That you keep repeating that last mantra about 70 years just doesn't make sense. As I pointed out to someone else, it took 40 years for McNamara to finally document what hundreds of folk around the world knew via reasearch....that the Gulf of Tonkin incident did NOT happen, and therefore our presence in Vietnam was based on a LIE.

So what's 30 more years?
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I would be the first in line to be riveted and intrigued if we found alien spaceships on earth.

My personal interest in evidence of alien life is focused on our probes to other planets and moons in our solar system, and remote sensing of the atmospheric chemistry and electromagnetic signatures of exoplanets --- which in my judgment have a much better chance of answering the question as to whether we are all alone out here.
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I noticed that when I deconstructed your first "reason" for doubt, you just shift to another personal opinion without first conceding a point. The Roswell Incident did occur, the major players waited until they were near death before they told their story (outside of military condidentiality). It's most convenient for skeptics that they take the "show me" attitude....yet some were most willing to accept the Vietnam lie for 40 years. Your "judgement" makes it safe to just mock and ignore any concrete evidence that UFO's are NOT of terrestrial origin.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I noticed that when I deconstructed your first "reason" for doubt, you just shift to another personal opinion without first conceding a point. The Roswell Incident did occur, the major players waited until they were near death before they told their story (outside of military condidentiality). It's most convenient for skeptics that they take the "show me" attitude....yet some were most willing to accept the Vietnam lie for 40 years. Your "judgement" makes it safe to just mock and ignore any concrete evidence that UFO's are NOT of terrestrial origin.
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I am pretty sure Tonkin Gulf was deemed fishy within less than a decade after the incident. I fail to see how Tonkin could somehow prove there is a massive global conspiracy to hide the truth about alien spaceships.


I took a look at the latest video which has the UFO community all intoxicated with excitement.

To be honest, I look at this grainy video and my mind does not automatically leap to alien spaceships, especially when other more plausible explanations have not been ruled out.

 
Cypress said:
The media loves this UFO stuff. It is good business.

My two cents: the human eye is prone to the vagaries of optics, lighting, perspective, and the human mind is fully capable of taking flights of fancy in interpreting optical sensory input.

I do not think these people are lying. They are seeing things their mind cannot interpret. But it does not follow that the only plausible explanation are flying saucers piloted by little green men.

On a related tangent, I was actually bummed when the crop circles turned out to be a hoax. Those things looked so wierd, part of my mind really wanted to believe they were alien landing sites!
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I almost cried when I realized that Nessie doesn't exist.
 
90% of what people are seeing is either something natural but odd or Human technology. But the other 10%? They arent traveling from anywhere,...they have always been here from the beginning. Furthermore their intentions are not good. In fact their true identity is MUCH more disconcerting than any aliens traveling from other worlds. BUT...... everyone is free to believe what they want to believe I guess.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I almost cried when I realized that Nessie doesn't exist.
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I got really upset when experts on television went out of their way to debunk Nessie or offer alternative and more plausible explanations!

Please do not tell me Nessie cannot exist!!

For any of us who still retain some of the inner child at heart, we want there to be mystery in the world. I still feel like there is magic in lakes and sunsets!
 
Taichiliberal said:
1. So if you agree with the OP, then WTF are you rambling on about?

2. Pay attention, genius. The OP acknowledges that the military NEVER commits to a declarative statement as to extra-terrestrial origin of UFO's. They ALWAYS hedge their bets when ex- officials and personnel of high credibility decide to blow the whistle. Why are you having a hissy fit over a moot point? Try comprehending what you read instead of this knee jerk reaction to what you perceive.

3. What's hilarious is the sheer arrogant stupidity of your post, which essentially misconstrues the OP and essentially ignores the subsequent exchanges. Clearly, you have some issue with me....get over it and learn to read carefully and comprehensively. It'll save everyone time and effort...especially your silly little meme. Carry on.
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He was spot on dude


You keep being very silly about what UFO MEANS


I saw one for real decades ago


There is something there dude


We don’t Know what it is hence unidentified


They fly hence flying


And they appear to be solid objects hence object


No one is going to have my respect when they claim I didn’t see what I saw



Period


I saw something extraordinary that still can not be bullshitted away


Your superior attitude about it lessens peoples respect for your take on all of this


I saw something unexplainable decades ago


It’s existence is still unexplainable


Your attitude about the existence about what I and others with me clearly saw is closed minded
 
Cypress said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I noticed that when I deconstructed your first "reason" for doubt, you just shift to another personal opinion without first conceding a point. The Roswell Incident did occur, the major players waited until they were near death before they told their story (outside of military condidentiality). It's most convenient for skeptics that they take the "show me" attitude....yet some were most willing to accept the Vietnam lie for 40 years. Your "judgement" makes it safe to just mock and ignore any concrete evidence that UFO's are NOT of terrestrial origin.
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I am pretty sure Tonkin Gulf was deemed fishy within less than a decade after the incident. I fail to see how Tonkin could somehow prove there is a massive global conspiracy to hide the truth about alien spaceships.


I took a look at the latest video which has the UFO community all intoxicated with excitement.

To be honest, I look at this grainy video and my mind does not automatically leap to alien spaceships, especially when other more plausible explanations have not been ruled out.

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There's no "pretty sure" about it. Peope during and after the Vietnam War maintained that there was enough circumstantial evidence and statements by ex-goverment/military officials to conclude that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a lie. But for 40 years our government denied such....many using similar excuses that you use here to substantiate their claim. Period.

As for "globa conspiracy" .... the ONLY nation I know of to date were the Belgiums who went on record confirming military aerial contact by radar and visual...and even they just stopped short as to endorse the possibility of extra-terrestrial origins.

To be honest, even some of the best vids of missles delivered by military drones in the Middle East are grainy or blurry....and let's not forget the "photo" of Saddam Hussein getting hung! You might also look at some of the aerial footage from fighter planes taken during practice and real dog fights. Not exactly Kodak moments.

I do recall America rejoicing and back slapping at both, and not raising the skepticism you are now. You can't have it both ways.
 
Stone said:
Aliens traveling at 186,000 miles per second to come see us ? :rolleyes:

:bigthink:

:magagrin:
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It takes us 7 months to travel to Mars with a probe, don't cha know. Now we're gearing up to send people to what, collect rocks & soil samples?.....are you so arrogantly ignorant to think we are alone in the Universe and the top of the technological chain? Hell, clowns like you can't even explain how the Egyptians got the pyramids together with all our technology and engineering expertise at present.

Get it together, Stone....I'm embarrassed for you.
 
Taichiliberal said:
1. So if you agree with the OP, then WTF are you rambling on about?

2. Pay attention, genius. The OP acknowledges that the military NEVER commits to a declarative statement as to extra-terrestrial origin of UFO's. They ALWAYS hedge their bets when ex- officials and personnel of high credibility decide to blow the whistle. Why are you having a hissy fit over a moot point? Try comprehending what you read instead of this knee jerk reaction to what you perceive.

3. What's hilarious is the sheer arrogant stupidity of your post, which essentially misconstrues the OP and essentially ignores the subsequent exchanges. Clearly, you have some issue with me....get over it and learn to read carefully and comprehensively. It'll save everyone time and effort...especially your silly little meme. Carry on.
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Dude, I have no issues with you.

I just didn't see the importance of the Military or the Government basically saying, "Yes, we have prove that there are Unidentified Flying Objects.

Because I have seen things flying over the desert sky late at night myself, that I could not identify, but were strange in nature.
 
evince said:
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
1. So if you agree with the OP, then WTF are you rambling on about?

2. Pay attention, genius. The OP acknowledges that the military NEVER commits to a declarative statement as to extra-terrestrial origin of UFO's. They ALWAYS hedge their bets when ex- officials and personnel of high credibility decide to blow the whistle. Why are you having a hissy fit over a moot point? Try comprehending what you read instead of this knee jerk reaction to what you perceive.

3. What's hilarious is the sheer arrogant stupidity of your post, which essentially misconstrues the OP and essentially ignores the subsequent exchanges. Clearly, you have some issue with me....get over it and learn to read carefully and comprehensively. It'll save everyone time and effort...especially your silly little meme. Carry on.
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He was spot on dude


You keep being very silly about what UFO MEANS


I saw one for real decades ago


There is something there dude


We don’t Know what it is hence unidentified


They fly hence flying


And they appear to be solid objects hence object


No one is going to have my respect when they claim I didn’t see what I saw



Period


I saw something extraordinary that still can not be bullshitted away


Your superior attitude about it lessens peoples respect for your take on all of this


I saw something unexplainable decades ago


It’s existence is still unexplainable


Your attitude about the existence about what I and others with me clearly saw is closed minded
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You and others are essentially parrotting the SOS.....unless they land in Central Park in NYC, you just blow over any concrete evidence. Funny that, because the very military instruments that are trusted and used in warfare VERIFY CONTACT....have been doing so for decades.

Now get this straight....IN NONE OF MY POST DO I DISCOUNT OR DIMINISH PERSONAL SIGHTINGS. The OP and all subsequent posts have been pointing to MILITARY VERIFICATION and all that analysis of those verifications. The conclusions are inescapable...but people seem to think just denying such conclusion is enough to discount the very possibility. Mind you, they themselves have no explanation...just abject denial.

Nothing "silly" about what's transpired. The chronology of the posts should tell you that.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
1. So if you agree with the OP, then WTF are you rambling on about?

2. Pay attention, genius. The OP acknowledges that the military NEVER commits to a declarative statement as to extra-terrestrial origin of UFO's. They ALWAYS hedge their bets when ex- officials and personnel of high credibility decide to blow the whistle. Why are you having a hissy fit over a moot point? Try comprehending what you read instead of this knee jerk reaction to what you perceive.

3. What's hilarious is the sheer arrogant stupidity of your post, which essentially misconstrues the OP and essentially ignores the subsequent exchanges. Clearly, you have some issue with me....get over it and learn to read carefully and comprehensively. It'll save everyone time and effort...especially your silly little meme. Carry on.
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Dude, I have no issues with you.

I just didn't see the importance of the Military or the Government basically saying, "Yes, we have prove that there are Unidentified Flying Objects.

Because I have seen them myself.
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To recap: the OP essentially says that it doesn't matter how many ex-military or gov't personnel come out and state that UFO's are of extra-terrestrial technology...the gov't will do it's usual tap dance and pretty much say the same thing as our resident skeptics here.

The debate I and others are having is with folk who claim any military documentation is of no conclusive worth because they don't say what you just said.

That's just dumb, because these same people except so much in their daily lives WITH LESS PROOF THAN 70 YEARS OF MILITARY DOCUMENTATION.

That's all.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You and others are essentially parrotting the SOS.....unless they land in Central Park in NYC, you just blow over any concrete evidence. Funny that, because the very military instruments that are trusted and used in warfare VERIFY CONTACT....have been doing so for decades.

Now get this straight....IN NONE OF MY POST DO I DISCOUNT OR DIMINISH PERSONAL SIGHTINGS. The OP and all subsequent posts have been pointing to MILITARY VERIFICATION and all that analysis of those verifications. The conclusions are inescapable...but people seem to think just denying such conclusion is enough to discount the very possibility. Mind you, they themselves have no explanation...just abject denial.

Nothing "silly" about what's transpired. The chronology of the posts should tell you that.
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Military verification meaning "We don't know what the fuck they are". Sometimes I wonder, but not the space alien bullshit but the Manhattan Project type government denial.

The only conclusion here is that no one can provide evidence of what they are.
 
Stone said:
90% of what people are seeing is either something natural but odd or Human technology. But the other 10%? They arent traveling from anywhere,...they have always been here from the beginning. Furthermore their intentions are not good. In fact their true identity is MUCH more disconcerting than any aliens traveling from other worlds. BUT...... everyone is free to believe what they want to believe I guess.
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:rolleyes: Sure Stoney, whatever you say.
 
Taichiliberal said:
It takes us 7 months to travel to Mars with a probe, don't cha know. Now we're gearing up to send people to what, collect rocks & soil samples?.....are you so arrogantly ignorant to think we are alone in the Universe and the top of the technological chain? Hell, clowns like you can't even explain how the Egyptians got the pyramids together with all our technology and engineering expertise at present.

Get it together, Stone....I'm embarrassed for you.
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No dummy. I think the universe is FILLED with life. They arent coming here though. Because they CANT. Imbecile.
 
I am neither skeptical or overly convinced that life exists elsewhere in the universe.

But, the one thing that I do believe is, if our military or government ever did have evidence of alien spacecrafts or aliens, they would not intentionally hide it from the media or public.

For one reason, they would have no ulterior motive to withhold such scientific fact that I can even imagine.

That is why all the talk about Hanger 18 and Area 15 etc. is not really of any interest of mine. It makes for good Hollywood or National Enquirer subject matter, but i see no reason to think the government is hiding proof of aliens from us.
 
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