U.S. Intelligence Is Helping Ukraine Kill Russian Generals

Cypress said:
I am aware Republicans are intimidated by and frightened of Putin's Russia.
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and then there are clownish posts like this that attempt to make our war against Russia
some kind of test of bravado...sad you have devolved to this when you could be giving good analysis instead
 
anatta said:
such nice flowery language designed to obscure the fact we are warring against Russia - targeting their generals and gawd knows what support like long range artillery that can fire into Russia

yud be the first to scream if Russia used a tactical nuke - but that's where this is heading
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You tell your life long love Putin to fuck off


We don’t care what he sends you here to say
 
anonymoose said:
Your link has a link to this article:
Russia’s War Has Been Brutal, but Putin Has Shown Some Restraint. Why?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

I'm surprised if you didn't read it already.

Reading between the lines in the OP and that ^ here's my assessment.
The Soviet Union and China were in a proxy war with the U.S. in Vietnam. This established an unwritten rule that the invading country does not directly attack the country supplying arms. If we had nuked Hanoi or Haiphong or both Or if we had used tactical nukes there you think that would have won the war for the U.S? Fuck no, the Vietnamese would have hunkered down that much harder as well as having the entire international community against us (even more than they already were).
If Russia somehow outright wins this war they're already stuck with a huge rebuilding job. The more they destroy cities the bigger that job becomes.
And they've already made enemies for generations against a people they once considered brothers.
I just can't see what victory looks like to them.
We don't know how this will play out but we can learn from history.



There are people high up in govt. much smarter and with much more information than you and me (excluding Brandon). Putin has already miscalculated. We don't know how this will play out but we can learn from history. It does not bode well for a Russian victory in the long run. They'll be OK, just a huge waste of resources only to satisfy their ego.
In summary, as long as the Ukrainians are willing to fight and as long as the West is willing to supply arms, this will continue and the longer it does, the worse it looks for Russia.
I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes, especially with supporting the coup that installed Zelenskyy, but it's too late now to turn back.
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i pretty much agree. to be clear I do NOT support the invasion of Ukraine is a bloody long siege - nor do I care about "victory look like for Russia" (article)

I would have supported Putin simply taking donbas (LDNR Republics) because there was a war there already and the populace overwhelmingly supports alignment with Russia

and again to be clear at this point all I want is to not be at war with Russia - meaning killing their generals
sending a large part of our advanced weapons and doing our own destabilzation by prolonging the war without even offering to sponser peace talks -all while warring against a nuclear state
 
Cypress said:
.Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a blatant violation of international law that the world community has a right and an obligation to directly oppose.
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The nation that invades another sovereign nation is the warmonger. Those that oppose it oppose such actions. If the world's nations would oppose such attacks and assist the victim this would produce fewer wars. Kuwait is a good example.

When the Soviet Union existed the right used to fear communist expansion and wanted to contain such action. I guess Russian expansion is acceptable.
 
anatta said:
and then there are clownish posts like this that attempt to make our war against Russia
some kind of test of bravado...sad you have devolved to this when you could be giving good analysis instead
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The Kremlin armed North Korean, North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, and Chinese forces during our military engagements in East Asia.

Russian pilots even flew North Korean MIGs against America aviators.

Unprovoked war is illegal under international law, and Europe, North America, and Japan are ensuring that Putin pays a price for his illegal aggression and war crimes.

We are fortunate to have a president who is not going to let Putin get away with his war crimes and land grabs.
 
Cypress said:
The Kremlin armed North Korean, North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, and Chinese forces during our military engagements in East Asia.

Russian pilots even flew North Korean MIGs against America aviators.

Unprovoked war is illegal under international law, and Europe, North America, and Japan are ensuring that Putin pays a price for his illegal aggression and war crimes.

We are fortunate to have a president who is not going to let Putin get away with his war crimes and land grabs.
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Talking about illegal wars -when we have fabricated our own (Libya Iraq) doesn't hold a lot of weight

Russia did not target our command structure
Russia did not send weapons capable of reaching into the USA - like ours that can and do reach into Russia
When they did set up the Cuban missiles we were not going to let it stand
 
Flash said:
The nation that invades another sovereign nation is the warmonger. Those that oppose it oppose such actions. If the world's nations would oppose such attacks and assist the victim this would produce fewer wars. Kuwait is a good example.

When the Soviet Union existed the right used to fear communist expansion and wanted to contain such action. I guess Russian expansion is acceptable.
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Do you agree we are at war with Russia? Most are now at least agreeing it's a proxy war
I think it's a direct war.

What happened to Kuwait one way or the other wasnt a big deal (geopolitical threat matrix)
and we wound up taking our Saddam on false premisis anyway

But now we are escalating and sending advanced weapons and using our intelligence to target Russian command

That eclipses any "aiding Ukraine" to becoming warring against Russia

If you dont believe me, then listen to Austin saying our goal is to"degrade the Russian military"
and not just over Ukraine

As long as you understand this is a direct war against Russia now and agaisnt any future conflicts
you can base your opinion on the truth
 
anatta said:
Do you agree we are at war with Russia? Most are now at least agreeing it's a proxy war
I think it's a direct war.
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I don't have an opinion on that. A proxy war is usually to achieve some political or military or military objective through another nation, and I don't anything we are achieving in our own interests. "Degrade the Russian military" is not a major accomplishment.

My main point is that nations should stand against aggression, war, and invasion from others to discourage such future actions. Kuwait was minor for us, but not for Kuwait which could have fallen to Iraq and resulted in years of conflict. Hussein was irrelevant to this objective.

Putin trying to justify an invasion sounds similar to Hitler--border areas, "German speaking" people......
 
anatta said:
Talking about illegal wars -when we have fabricated our own (Libya Iraq) doesn't hold a lot of weight

Russia did not target our command structure
Russia did not send weapons capable of reaching into the USA - like ours that can and do reach into Russia
When they did set up the Cuban missiles we were not going to let it stand
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I get the sense the Republican MAGA contingent are just easily intimidated and frightened by Kremlin bluster.

"Russia Plays Down Nuclear War Talk"

Moscow has reiterated that it will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, a day after its envoy to the United States had criticized NATO for not taking the threat of nuclear war seriously

State news agency Tass reported comments by Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaitsev that Moscow had no intention of using nuclear arms in the Ukraine war, which Moscow calls a "special military operation."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...ne-nuclear-nato-antonov-zaitsev-1704195?amp=1
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Cypress said:
I get the sense the Republican MAGA contingent are just easily intimidated and frightened by Kremlin bluster.
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I wish the Establishment Republicans like McConnell and Romney (more) would would take the stakes more seriously
State news agency Tass reported comments by Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaitsev that Moscow had no intention of using nuclear arms in the Ukraine war, which Moscow calls a "special military operation."
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Tass is saying battlefield nuke will not be used offensively in Ukraine. nothing has changed
But the twist is the "first strike" can be used to defend Russia. Putin could easily makes the case for
casus belli for the USA targeting Russian generals. and drones and long range artillery that have crossed the border

But he's still got the hypersonic missiles for now so he doesn't need nukes now....
Whatever the analysis to have the US/Russia be at war on a knife edge of nuke exchange over Ukraine is nuts
 
anatta said:
Ukrainian officials said they have killed approximately 12 generals on the front lines, a number that has astonished military analysts.

The targeting help is part of a classified effort by the Biden administration to provide real-time battlefield intelligence to Ukraine. That intelligence also includes anticipated Russian troop movements gleaned from recent American assessments of Moscow’s secret battle plan for the fighting in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, the officials said. Officials declined to specify how many generals had been killed as a result of U.S. assistance.

The United States has focused on providing the location and other details about the Russian military’s mobile headquarters, which relocate frequently. Ukrainian officials have combined that geographic information with their own intelligence — including intercepted communications that alert the Ukrainian military to the presence of senior Russian officers — to conduct artillery strikes and other attacks that have killed Russian officers.

The intelligence sharing is part of a stepped-up flow in U.S. assistance that includes heavier weapons and tens of billions in aid, demonstrating how quickly the early American restraints on support for Ukraine have shifted as the war enters a new stage that could play out over months.

U.S. intelligence support to the Ukrainians has had a decisive effect on the battlefield, confirming targets identified by the Ukrainian military and pointing it to new targets. The flow of actionable intelligence on the movement of Russian troops that America has given Ukraine has few precedents.
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Kinda hard to argue we're not at war with Russia if this is true and there's no doubt in my mind this is true.
 
anatta said:
I wish the Establishment Republicans like McConnell and Romney (more) would would take the stakes more seriously
Tass is saying battlefield nuke will not be used offensively in Ukraine. nothing has changed
But the twist is the "first strike" can be used to defend Russia. Putin could easily makes the case for
casus belli for the USA targeting Russian generals. and drones and long range artillery that have crossed the border

But he's still got the hypersonic missiles for now so he doesn't need nukes now....
Whatever the analysis to have the US/Russia be at war on a knife edge of nuke exchange over Ukraine is nuts
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I get it. You were hoping and expecting that Ukraine would be easily subdued and conquered by Putin.

But we don't have a MAGA president. We have a president who is going to ensure Putin pays a high price for his illegal war and his crimes against humanity.
 
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