U.S. Considers Faster Pullout in Afghanistan

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WASHINGTON — Increasingly frustrated by his dealings with President Hamid Karzai, President Obama is giving serious consideration to speeding up the withdrawal of United States forces from Afghanistan and to a “zero option” that would leave no American troops there after next year, according to American and European officials.

Mr. Obama is committed to ending America’s military involvement in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, and Obama administration officials have been negotiating with Afghan officials about leaving a small “residual force” behind. But his relationship with Mr. Karzai has been slowly unraveling, and reached a new low after an effort last month by the United States to begin peace talks with the Taliban in Qatar.

Mr. Karzai promptly repudiated the talks and ended negotiations with the United States over the long-term security deal that is needed to keep American forces in Afghanistan after 2014.

A videoconference between Mr. Obama and Mr. Karzai designed to defuse the tensions ended badly, according to both American and Afghan officials with knowledge of it. Mr. Karzai, according to those sources, accused the United States of trying to negotiate a separate peace with both the Taliban and their backers in Pakistan, leaving Afghanistan’s fragile government exposed to its enemies.

Mr. Karzai had made similar accusations in the past. But those comments were delivered to Afghans — not to Mr. Obama, who responded by pointing out the American lives that have been lost propping up Mr. Karzai’s government, the officials said.

The option of leaving no troops in Afghanistan after 2014 was gaining momentum before the June 27 video conference, according to the officials. But since then, the idea of a complete military exit similar to the American military pullout from Iraq has gone from being considered the worst-case scenario — and a useful negotiating tool with Mr. Karzai — to an alternative under serious consideration in Washington and Kabul.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/w...oop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan.html?hpw&_r=0

So the longest war in American history fizzles out into ... nothing.

What was worth the cost of all the lost lives and treasure?
 
All of our troops should be on the first plane out of there. Today. If the Afghan people and president don't want us there, then why are we? Fuck em' and nuke em'!
 
Groan all you want Tom. That massive force of 8000 rotted teeth brits can handle the job in Afghanistan, right?
 
Groan all you want Tom. That massive force of 8000 rotted teeth brits can handle the job in Afghanistan, right?

Yes.

Mainly because the current job is best described as "sitting in a heavily fortified base waiting to go home", but still.
 
Yes.

Mainly because the current job is best described as "sitting in a heavily fortified base waiting to go home", but still.
I have a friend who is a major in the US Army. He comes home in two weeks. Until two weeks ago he was at a forward operating base in Afghanistan, still getting shot at.
 
I have a friend who is a major in the US Army. He comes home in two weeks. Until two weeks ago he was at a forward operating base in Afghanistan, still getting shot at.

Don't get me wrong i wouldn't want to be there. As far as UK troops are concerned it's not exactly 'safe' but combat operations have all but ceased prior to getting the hell out of there. We're only still there because of the US timetable.
 
All of our troops should be on the first plane out of there. Today. If the Afghan people and president don't want us there, then why are we? Fuck em' and nuke em'!

Really Howey you have some very disturbing views on the people who live in Arab countries. Nuke them? Really?
 
WASHINGTON — Increasingly frustrated by his dealings with President Hamid Karzai, President Obama is giving serious consideration to speeding up the withdrawal of United States forces from Afghanistan and to a “zero option” that would leave no American troops there after next year, according to American and European officials.

Mr. Obama is committed to ending America’s military involvement in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, and Obama administration officials have been negotiating with Afghan officials about leaving a small “residual force” behind. But his relationship with Mr. Karzai has been slowly unraveling, and reached a new low after an effort last month by the United States to begin peace talks with the Taliban in Qatar.

Mr. Karzai promptly repudiated the talks and ended negotiations with the United States over the long-term security deal that is needed to keep American forces in Afghanistan after 2014.

A videoconference between Mr. Obama and Mr. Karzai designed to defuse the tensions ended badly, according to both American and Afghan officials with knowledge of it. Mr. Karzai, according to those sources, accused the United States of trying to negotiate a separate peace with both the Taliban and their backers in Pakistan, leaving Afghanistan’s fragile government exposed to its enemies.

Mr. Karzai had made similar accusations in the past. But those comments were delivered to Afghans — not to Mr. Obama, who responded by pointing out the American lives that have been lost propping up Mr. Karzai’s government, the officials said.

The option of leaving no troops in Afghanistan after 2014 was gaining momentum before the June 27 video conference, according to the officials. But since then, the idea of a complete military exit similar to the American military pullout from Iraq has gone from being considered the worst-case scenario — and a useful negotiating tool with Mr. Karzai — to an alternative under serious consideration in Washington and Kabul.

more
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/w...oop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan.html?hpw&_r=0

So the longest war in American history fizzles out into ... nothing.

What was worth the cost of all the lost lives and treasure?

Tell me, which recent war has been worth the cost?
 
Yes I do, I am not sarcasm-challenged at all. And in fact, I am a pretty sarcastic person myself. Though not overly so to the point where people find me unpleasant. I am very funny.
You? Sarcastic? Nuh uh. I would love to see an example of you being funny. ;)
 
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