U.S. Admits for First Time Drones Killed 4 Americans

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One day before President Obama is due to deliver a major speech on national security, his administration on Wednesday formally acknowledged that the United States had killed four American citizens in drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan.

In a letter to Congressional leaders obtained by The New York Times, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. disclosed that the administration had deliberately killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who was killed in a drone strike in September 2011 in Yemen.


The American responsibility for Mr. Awlaki’s death has been widely reported, but the administration had until now refused to confirm or deny it.


The letter also said that the United States had killed three other Americans: Samir Khan, who was killed in the same strike; Mr. Awlaki’s son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was also killed in Yemen; and Jude Mohammed, who was killed in a strike in Pakistan.


“These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States,” Mr. Holder wrote.

While rumors of Mr. Mohammed’s death had appeared in local news reports in Raleigh, N.C., where he lived, his death had not been confirmed by the United States government until Wednesday.


According to former acquaintances of Mr. Mohammed in North Carolina, he appears to have been killed in a November 2011 drone strike in South Waziristan, in Pakistan’s tribal area. Mr. Mohammed’s wife, whom he had met and married in Pakistan, subsequently called his mother in North Carolina to tell her of his death, the friends say.


Mr. Holder, in a speech at Northwestern University Law School last year, laid out the administration’s basic legal thinking that American citizens who are deemed to be operational terrorists, who pose an “imminent threat of violent attack” and whose capture is infeasible may be targeted. That abstract legal thinking — including an elastic definition of what counts as “imminent” — was further laid out in an unclassified white paper provided to Congress last year, which was leaked earlier this year.


But Mr. Holder’s letter went further in discussing the death of Mr. Awlaki in particular, an operation the administration had previously refused to publicly acknowledge. He said it was not Mr. Awlaki’s words urging violent attacks against Americans that led the United States to target him, but direct actions in planning attacks.


Mr. Holder alleged that Mr. Awlaki not only “planned” the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Dec. 25, 2009, a claim that has been widely discussed in court documents and elsewhere, but also “played a key role” in an October 2010 plot to bomb cargo planes bound for the United States, including taking “part in the development and testing” of the bombs.


“Moreover, information that remains classified to protect sensitive sources and methods evidences Awlaki’s involvement in the planning of numerous other plots against U.S. and Western interests and makes clear he was continuing to plot attacks when he was killed,” Mr. Holder wrote.


He added, “The decision to target Anwar al-Awlaki was lawful, it was considered, and it was just.”

Mr. Obama announced the death of Mr. Awlaki on Sept. 30, 2011, and credited United States intelligence agencies, but he did not explicitly acknowledge that Mr. Awlaki had been killed by an American strike.


Critics were not assuaged by Mr. Holder’s letter. “The Obama administration continues to claim authority to kill virtually anyone anywhere in the world under the ‘global battlefield’ legal theory and a radical redefinition of the concept of imminence,” said Zeke Johnson, an official with Amnesty International.

“President Obama should reject these concepts in his speech tomorrow and commit to upholding human rights, not just in word but in deed.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=0

ROFL

Trying to get in front of it before it also becomes a scandal.
 
sounds like Obama wanted to get all the scandals out at the same time to minimize long term damage........

Benghazi, IRS, AP....and oh yeah, we killed some guys......
 
was there ever any evidence produced in a court of law that convicted any american citizen assassinated by Obama?????

Now I am not saying it is right or wrong but casting my mind back to the Bush era, a common refrain was to say that combatants out of uniform were not protected by the Geneva Convention.
 
Now I am not saying it is right or wrong but casting my mind back to the Bush era, a common refrain was to say that combatants out of uniform were not protected by the Geneva Convention.
he also said that waterboarding wasn't torture anymore.......you see where i'm going with this, right?
 
Amen...I care more about saving the lives of our troops than those who allow terrorists to use them as human shields.

The latest on al awlaki?....he was instrumental in the planning and execution of a foiled bombing plot from Yemen involving copying machines filled with fertilizer based explosives. He also planned, recruited and trained the underwear bomber.

Both of those foiled attacks were meant for American soil and lives.
 
The latest on al awlaki?....he was instrumental in the planning and execution of a foiled bombing plot from Yemen involving copying machines filled with fertilizer based explosives. He also planned, recruited and trained the underwear bomber.

Both of those foiled attacks were meant for American soil and lives.

As indicated and confirmed evidence in a court of law or did you intend to say alleged?

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The latest on al awlaki?....he was instrumental in the planning and execution of a foiled bombing plot from Yemen involving copying machines filled with fertilizer based explosives. He also planned, recruited and trained the underwear bomber.

Both of those foiled attacks were meant for American soil and lives.

Let him rot in hell.

and those who are forced to be shields?

Try reading what I said a little closer...

The entire world is not a fucking battlefield.

It's a global war on terror, yo!
 
If those two men that were shot by police in London were from the US, do you think they would have had a trial before shooting them?

Two men being shot (and not killed, don't forget) posing an immediate threat to a police officer, a matter of metres away, is hardly equivalent to a policy of targeted drone assassination.
 
Two men being shot (and not killed, don't forget) posing an immediate threat to a police officer, a matter of metres away, is hardly equivalent to a policy of targeted drone assassination.

I think the details and the method are not really relevant here, it is more the principle. What if they had been taken out by a drone?
 
I think the details and the method are not really relevant here, it is more the principle. What if they had been taken out by a drone?

If a drone had been used those two men would not now be facing a trial and the relatives of the bystanders killed, in the resulting explosions, would be demanding to know why their government had summarily executed people on the streets of the capital.

Actually, i don't even know why i bothered to answer that question.
 
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