two US teens show how NOT to be sociopaths

PostmodernProphet said:
good lord, you are ignoring the entire point of the argument by going off on irrelevant issues.....no wonder you work for the fucking government.....
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How is it irrelevant?

So in your opinion, what is a teacher who spent 6 years on an education and the massive costs/effort it entails worth?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and the greater of two ignorant people is yourself....since the question I asked you specifically compared the factory wage with a lower prevailing wage and you still objected, what difference does it now make that you don't know what the prevailing wage actually is?......
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You suggested that the prevailing wage was higher but didn't back that up so let me do it for you.

El Salvador US$224.29 a month for retail employees; US$219.40 for industrial laborers; US$187.68 for apparel assembly workers; US$104.97 for agriculture industry workers.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm#wrapper

Therefore, those women were earning less than the prevailing wage at $158.40/month than the country's prevailing wage for their type of labor, which was Kathie Lee Gifford's clothing factory. So it looks like her wage was the greater, not the lesser of two evils.
 
Steelplate said:
How is it irrelevant?

So in your opinion, what is a teacher who spent 6 years on an education and the massive costs/effort it entails worth?
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to the first, the issue is whether a public employee should continue to receive that which the people who pay them cannot.....it is hardly relevant whether that public employee is employed at the state or local level


as to the second, I could perhaps say that they ought to earn less than I did after spending 7 years on my education, but then I would be falling into the same fallacy that you have......the answer is, what the market will bear....and what we've seen in the last few years is that the market, having been forced by the economy to contribute more toward their own benefits, have required public employees to experience the same........you consider that unacceptable......I consider that inevitable.....
 
christiefan915 said:
You suggested that the prevailing wage was higher but didn't back that up so let me do it for you.

El Salvador US$224.29 a month for retail employees; US$219.40 for industrial laborers; US$187.68 for apparel assembly workers; US$104.97 for agriculture industry workers.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm#wrapper

Therefore, those women were earning less than the prevailing wage at $158.40/month than the country's prevailing wage for their type of labor, which was Kathie Lee Gifford's clothing factory. So it looks like her wage was the greater, not the lesser of two evils.
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odd then.....most people, if jobs were available at higher wages, would seek out employment at the places with higher wages.....don't you think?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
odd then.....most people, if jobs were available at higher wages, would seek out employment at the places with higher wages.....don't you think?.....
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I think that if there were X number of factories in the town, and all the jobs in those factories were filled, and a new factory opened up paying less than the others, that people who needed jobs to support themselves and their families would take the lower-paying jobs because something is better than nothing.
 
christiefan915 said:
I think that if there were X number of factories in the town, and all the jobs in those factories were filled, and a new factory opened up paying less than the others, that people who needed jobs to support themselves and their families would take the lower-paying jobs because something is better than nothing.
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so now you're contradicting yourself and saying the job at that factory IS better than the alternatives available?......when you change your mind so many times its hard to keep up......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so now you're contradicting yourself and saying the job at that factory IS better than the alternatives available?......when you change your mind so many times its hard to keep up......
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:rolleyes: Interesting take. I hypothesize why someone might take a low-paying job and in your mind that translates to me approving the low wages.
 
That's just it Christie. People work because they have to eat, put some kind of roof over their heads an perhaps raise a family.

The false dichotomy of the right is that...hey....they took the job, didn't they?

Given the "alternative" between a shitty job and going on welfare? I'd take the shitty job too.
 
Steelplate said:
How is it irrelevant?

So in your opinion, what is a teacher who spent 6 years on an education and the massive costs/effort it entails worth?
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Whatever a free market will bear. How does a four year degree turn into six?

You are only worth what it costs to replace you. Teachers aren't hard to find. In fact teaching majors have the lowest SAT scores of any major. They aren't exactly out best and brightest.
 
Steelplate said:
That's just it Christie. People work because they have to eat, put some kind of roof over their heads an perhaps raise a family.

The false dichotomy of the right is that...hey....they took the job, didn't they?

Given the "alternative" between a shitty job and going on welfare? I'd take the shitty job too.
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Being a union slug you would probably just go on strike.
 
I Love America said:
Whatever a free market will bear. How does a four year degree turn into six?

You are only worth what it costs to replace you. Teachers aren't hard to find. In fact teaching majors have the lowest SAT scores of any major. They aren't exactly out best and brightest.
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I don't know how it is in your state...but Pennsylvania teachers are required to get their Master's degrees by a certain timeline after they're hired. I don't know what that timeline is, as I am not a teacher.
 
I Love America said:
Being a union slug you would probably just go on strike.
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Fuck you. Being a douchebag, you'd take the welfare....if you're not already on the tit living in Mom's basement.

Tell you what dickhead....why don't you do a little research and see how often state workers... or federal workers for that matter, actually go on strike.
 
Steelplate said:
Fuck you. Being a douchebag, you'd take the welfare....if you're not already on the tit living in Mom's basement.

Tell you what dickhead....why don't you do a little research and see how often state workers... or federal workers for that matter, actually go on strike.
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Look I get it puddin pop. You aren't smart enough to do anything else so you get paid by taxpayers like welfare queens
 
Rana said:
Welfare Queens, that has always made me chuckle, Her Magesty, Queen of Walmart.
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Hey...welfare is big business for Walmart.

Recipients spend their bennies there, and they save millions by their employees signing up for food stamps and Medicaid....and those food stamps get redeemed? Oh yeah....at Walmart...for that 10% employee discount.
 
christiefan915 said:
:rolleyes: Interesting take. I hypothesize why someone might take a low-paying job and in your mind that translates to me approving the low wages.
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Weird.....that isn't even close to what I am arguing......I don't give a flying fuck what you approve.....I'm merely pointing out what you overlooked......that people take these "slave labor" jobs because they are better than the other jobs available in their locality......they are low paying relative to jobs in the US, they are not low paying relative to jobs across the street....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
or would you ask the government to grant an additional year of unemployment compensation?......
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Never used unemployment....not once in my life. How bout you?

When I first got out of the military, I could have....but I worked in local Tomato fields working on a machine that sucks up tomatoes, rolls them on a conveyor belt and picked out rotten tomatoes, green tomatoes, pieces of the plant that break of.....and of course, the really neat stuff...mice, snakes, the occasional rat. I was also going to a local welding school.

So no....I'd probably take what I could get. But then again.... I am pushing 50 now and have never used a dime of the public dollar that I didn't work for....so maybe I would for a bit, now that I think about it. But If I did, I'd use that time wisely.
 
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