Bai Lan
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nice rebuttal
Two More Women Accuse Neil deGrasse Tyson of Sexual Misconduct - MEDIA BLACKOUT
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christiefan915
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Pearls before swine...
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Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
You made the claim that tyson got his degree honestly. Let's see you prove that. With all the affirmative action blacks get, your claim is almost certainly false.
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Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
All liberals have made that accusation. The question is - do they have any evidence??
Sure he has mistresses, but that is not misconduct.
The culture argument for blacks doing bad on tests in a stupid lie in the first place. Yes, Asian Americans refute the culture argument. But, also, libs have tried and to remove the alleged cultural bias in tests and blacks still fail.
No honest person can deny that blacks a genetically less intelligent than whites. Every lib knows blacks are dumb, they just won't admit it.
No. That's an irrational assumption. Now, I take it when you say "blacks are so mentally inferior," you're relying on something like the data hawked by Charles Murray, showing lower average IQs for blacks. There are, of course, a number of serious questions about the meaning of such data, in light of cultural biases of such tests. But let's set those aside and, for the sake of argument, just accept that IQ tests are reasonably good measures of overall intelligence regardless of cultural factors. Even then, the conclusion you draw is wrong for a couple reasons.
First, the racial category of "black" is an artificial one, from the perspective of genetics. There's more genetic variation within Africa than in the rest of the world combined. For example, East Africans have as much genetic difference from West Africans as either group has from Europeans. Throw in the fact that many of those who we define as "black" have as much European ancestry as African ancestry, and you can see how little the category actually means from a genetic perspective. So, when you're measuring black people for average IQ, it's a bit like measuring them for average height -- lumping in the Congo Pygmies, who are one of the world's shortest people, and the Maassai, who are one of the world's tallest people. You can do that, and get a number, but the number is essentially meaningless.
Second, even within a more reasonably defined population group, the difference in IQs within the group is much larger than the difference between one group and the next. So, knowing what the averages are for the group doesn't allow you to guess with much certainty about the individuals. For example, imagine you had to guess who was taller -- a randomly selected Dutch person or a randomly selected Chinese person. Knowing nothing else, you'd be wise to guess the Dutch person, since on average they're the tallest people in the world, and the Chinese are, on average, shorter than the average humans. But, although that's the best guess you could make if forced to guess, you shouldn't be at all surprised to find out you're wrong. What if you randomly get a Dutch child and a Chinese adult? What if you get a Dutch woman and a Chinese man? What if you just happen to draw Yao Ming as your Chinese person? Your educated guess will be right more often than wrong.... but not much more often.
Third, averages don't tell you about the shape of the bell curve. If you have a population group with more genetic variation (like Africans), you'll get a lower middle to the bell curve, and more people at the extremes than if you have a population group with less genetic variation (like Northern Europeans). This means that we'd expect to find more outliers in both directions, regardless of where the average sits.
For all these reasons, you can't say much of anything, with confidence, about an individual member of a race, based merely on knowing the person's race. If it helps, think of it in terms of you and me. I'm of East Asian ancestry. You, presumably, are of European ancestry. Statistically, East Asian Americans score significantly higher on IQ tests than European Americans. Does it make sense, therefore, to assume I must be smarter than you? Of course not.
Similarly, as recent news stories have underscored, Asians tend to be subjected to what amounts to reverse-affirmative-action by universities seeking to achieve a more diverse student body. So do women, since they now apply to universities in much larger numbers, forcing universities to go easier on male applicants if they want to keep the gender gap small in their student bodies. I also came from a location with very high rates of people going on to college, which means that schools looking for "geographic diversity" in their student body were going to be tougher on applicants like me than applicants from, say, the rural South, where there aren't as many applicants to college, much less to top schools. I don't know where you're from, but let's just say for the sake of argument you came from an area with fewer people who went on to college. If so, then just comparing you (white, male, from an underrepresented geographic area) and me (Asian, female, urban Northeasterner), we could accurately say that getting into a given college would have been much easier for you, because the desire for a diverse student body played more in your favor than mine. Yet, does that mean we can assume that you, personally, weren't qualified for the university you went to, and only got in because of that preferential treatment? Of course not. We can't say anything at all about you, personally, based on those statistical tendencies. In the same way, we can't say anything about Tyson, individually, without individual information about him.
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He's an extraordinarily good communicator. There are countless black people with STEM degrees in this country, but the media don't beat a path to all of their doors. Tyson is popular for the same reason as Bill Nye, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins, Paul Krugman, Michio Kaku... or, historically, TH Huxley. The ability to explain difficult technical topics to a lay public, without boring them over oversimplifying to the point of nonsense is a fairly rare skill. Tyson has it.
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Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
And that's why affirmative action must end. Blacks fail because blacks are massively inferior. There is no GIANT WHITE CONSPIRACY holding them down. That is more fake news from the white-hating american press.
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Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
So you're opposed to race-based affirmative action right? Right?
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Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
Tyson's SAT score has been declared a national secret by the press. Like they did with obama.
Fentoine Lum
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All the stuff you love about post WWII America was during massive affirmative action for whites. GI Bill (no, VERY few blacks got in on that), FHA govt backed mortgages - all the stuff that built the white middle class.
You libs find no reasoning too stupid to use to defend your racist lies that you use to oppress whites. In fact, Africoon Americans do get incredible amounts of racial preferences, so it's irrational to assume a black with an advanced STEM degree earned it without aid of black skin. What's Tyson's SAT score? What's the average SAT scores of blacks vs. whites at the university that gave him is degree? But, go on being a racist liar.
I could point out all the stupidity in your argument about blacks and their inferior IQ, but none of it changes the fact that blacks get an incredible amount of racial preferences.
You lost track of the thread, pumpkin. The question being debated isn't whether we should assume a black person with an advanced STEM degree earned it "without aid of black skin." The question is whether we should "assume any black with a STEM PHD got it thru AA." That was the point the racist poster made, remember?
I have no idea whether affirmative action played any role in Tyson's education. Neither do you. I'm arguing against making assumptions.
I don't know. What was it?
That depends -- what's the alternative? I can think of better alternatives to race-based affirmative action, and if the choice is between those two things, then I'm opposed to race-based affirmative action. If, however, the choice is between race-based affirmative action and no effort to address systemic inequities, I'd take race-based affirmative action as the lesser of the evils.
I'll keep that in mind if I'm trying to be witty.
Like they did with Trump?
Ivana Trump swore under oath that Trump raped her.
Jill Harth says he assaulted her multiple times.
Summer Zervos says he sexually assaulted her.
So does Jessica Leeds.
And Kristin Anderson.
And Cathy Heller.
And Temple Taggart McDowell.
And Karena Virginia.
And Mindy McGillivray.
And Rachel Crooks.
And Natasha Stoynoff.
And Jessica Drake.
And Ninni Laaksonen.
And Cassandra Searles.
Mariah Billado says he came backstage when women were changing at a pageant.
So does Bridget Sullivan.
And Tasha Dixon.
He's on-the-record bragging to Howard Stern about abusing his power as a pageant organizer to go backstage and ogle the contestants when they're changing. That lines up with accounts by competitors in pageants --including the teen pageants-- who have said he did exactly that.
There's also a woman who swore under oath that Trump raped her, when she was a child, at one of Epstein's pedophile parties. Her affidavit was done in the name "Jane Doe," but it was backed up by two separate affidavits, one by a woman who said she was a recruiter for Epstein's parties and witnessed the rape, and one who said that the alleged victim confided in her about the rape many years ago.
That's at least eighteen women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including three who made sworn accusations of rape against him.