Turns Out Trump And Every Republican Lied For Years About Obamacare Replacement Plan

Althea said:
If by 'takers', you mean those with employer based healthcare, I'm sure they'd tell you they 'deserve' it.
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Don't be a hater. People work for years to pay for things. You know like food, housing, schooling, and yes HEALTHCARE. Like many AMERICANS, they choose where to work and whether their Benefit Package serves them and their families.

If you, and I am going to assume you are based on your offerings, didn't get on that, then whose fault is that?

The benefit is not free. You get that, you don't get other things. It's called "negotiation'.

President Trump can help you see how it's done, but in the meantime, take care of your health insurance.
 
Norah said:
If we are going to use Thomas Jefferson's words, one of my personal favorite presidents, as a prop for justifying universal healthcare then I would use his own words to counter that when he said that to compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Universal healthcare compels citizens to furnish funds for such a thing. Jefferson was for very limited government and he and Madison were so adamant about states rights and the 10th amendment that they wrote it into other states constitutions.
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That's all well and fine from a theoretical standpoint.

In the meantime our nations health care costs are at 18% of GDP. That's a more crippling cost to business that corporate taxes. On the Human side millions are still with out any health care coverage, some by choice, some that cannot afford it. That also drives up our healthcare costs everytime the indigent poor or young indestructible free riding mooches (like Grind) end up in the emergency room. Not to mention most people who are covered have lousy coverage that cost them large sums of money annually. That outrageous amount of money, considering our nations wealth, purchases us third world health care results too.

So I would respectfully ask you...if you believe that the ACA is a violation of your Constitutional rights (and conservative Chief Justice John Roberts disagrees with you there) then the burden is upon you to offer solutions to the problem that actually work.

Having read a large part of the PPACA there is much of it that is really good but there are two major flaws in the PPACA that are not adequately addresses so I would challenge you with these three questions.

#1. What would you do to manage the free rider problem? A major flaw in the ACA is that it does not punish free riding mooches (like Grind) enough for not carrying Health Care Insurance. Now if Grind opts to just up and die from his own choosing that would be one thing but in reality he'll show up in the emergency room when he gets sick or injured and stick us with the bill and you and I will pay the cost through the higher premiums we will end up paying. Same with the indigent poor...it ends up that we pay more for them when they end up in the emergency room with advanced stage illnesses cause they couldn't afford proper health care at early onset than if we subsidized that early care. So how would you resolve this problem?

#2. What would you do to manage costs? The PPACA does not really do much to control costs. Currently we pay extremely large sums of money for procedures, modalities and medicines with unproven results and redundant administrative costs, excessive diagnostic procedures and lab tests, etc. How would you manage those costs?

#3. Then after managing those problems what would you do to improve health outcomes in our country? It's simply criminal that a nation with the best medical technology and technical expertise only achieves third world health care outcomes. How would you address this problem? I don't think "Pay or Die" is going to be a legitimate solution. Do you?

Just sitting back and throwing rocks at other peoples efforts, cause you may not agree with their politics, isn't going to solve this problem. If you see my point?
 
Milagro said:
It was a joke, not a very good one I grant you. I would contend that one of the many reasons why the US is far too sensitive and up their arses about race is due to a severe humour bypass. I put that reference to racism in to bait the likes of Nostradumbcunt and others who claim racism at every opportunity.

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To piss off snowflakes, bottom feeders and racists
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And the resident Racist in Chief, BAC, steps right up and eliminates all doubts.

This man is unhinged.
 
Milagro said:
It was a joke, not a very good one I grant you. I would contend that one of the many reasons why the US is far too sensitive and up their arses about race is due to a severe humour bypass. I put that reference to racism in to bait the likes of Nostradumbcunt and others who claim racism at every opportunity.

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With all due respect, your foreigner-ness is showing. Humor doesn't have shit to do with it.

America never recovered from the Civil War .. never recovered from 400 years of slavery .. it's still a racist nation full of racist people.

I guess you wouldn't know that.
 
Norah said:
I don't share the contempt you have for people that have the opposite point of view than I have since they are free to have their own vision for our country too,
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That's because you are young and naïve and believe that they aren't out to destroy your way of life and have contempt for you. As you mature, you will understand my contempt for the liars and losers on the left.

Norah said:
but I will say that I think too many Americans have too much trust in federal bureaucracy.
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Way too many are dependent wards of the Federal Bureaucracy. It is not by accident and part of the leftist plan to eventually rule by fiat.

Look at all the idiots who think that people will be healthier now that millions have been added to Medicare rolls.
 
blackandSTUPID said:
Are you majoring in constitutional law? If so, you must be in your first year .. but I doubt that's your major.

Obamacare IS constitutional, popular with the American people, and undoubtedly benefits the overall health of the nation.

But in your novice perception of the world, none of that matters. Duly noted .. you don't have a real argument that makes any sense.

Let me guess .. you're a republican.
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What would a low life fool like you know about the Constitution? No, Obama care is not Constitutional and forcing everyone in the nation to buy healthcare is antithetical to the Constitution.
 
cawacko said:
That's a great quality. At the end of the day we are all Americans although with the battle on boards like this we wouldn't always know it.
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Another naïve statement from someone who sadly and foolishly thinks one can reason with lying leftists bent on destroying their way of life.
 
Milagro said:
So you say! How would know anyway, don't you live in a beach side property in California?
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I know this because I was born and raised half my life in Germany, traveled extensively throughout Europe and lived and went to school with the Canadians. The FACTS are also on my side.

Currently I am living on the beach in Fort Lauderdale.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just sitting back and throwing rocks at other peoples efforts, cause you may not agree with their politics, isn't going to solve this problem. If you see my point?
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The people throwing rocks right now are liberal twits who think by ranting and crying, they can change the outcome of an election.

But claiming that Obamacare solves the cost problems of American healthcare systems is the pinnacle of ignorance.

The only claim you hear from the FAKE media is how many people are now with healthcare. Of course, what they don't tell you is that when you GIVE something to people for FREE and force others to pay for it, of course you will have more people enrolled.

The ballooning budget busting Medicare budgets are bankrupting States.....the FAKE media will not report on that any more than they report on the massive $10 PLUS TRILLION Obama and Democrats added to the nation debt with their $850 billion stimulus pork laden bill that they now claimed failed because.....wait for it.....it wasn't BIG enough.

Listening to Democrats suddenly becoming concerned about the truth and budget deficits is a hoot.
 
blackandSTUPID said:
With all due respect, your foreigner-ness is showing. Humor doesn't have shit to do with it.

America never recovered from the Civil War .. never recovered from 400 years of slavery .. it's still a racist nation full of racist people.

I guess you wouldn't know that.
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blackascoal said:
With all due respect, your foreigner-ness is showing. Humor doesn't have shit to do with it.

America never recovered from the Civil War .. never recovered from 400 years of slavery .. it's still a racist nation full of racist people.

I guess you wouldn't know that.
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Nobody knows that except for opportunistic assholes such as yourself. ;)
 
Norah said:
I had to look that one up. On its face I'd say no especially if it applies to private hospitals but hospitals that accept federal funding should honor it.
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Why should any hospital be forced to treat for free? Is that in the Constitution?
 
Norah said:
The basic part of what I believe is that the federal government should not have much of an impact on our daily lives and should be limited in power to what it's granted through our constitution. If we decide to grant the federal government more power it should be done through the amendment process. Nationalized healthcare should be an amendment if it's something we want our government to provide for us. Otherwise it's left to the states through the 10th amendment.
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So you feel that if a state chooses to deny any type of healthcare to it's citizens, those people should be treated for free at a hospital?

And please clarify for Cawacko...you feel that states should have the right to have no healthcare program at all?
 
Midas Whale67 said:
Don't be a hater. People work for years to pay for things. You know like food, housing, schooling, and yes HEALTHCARE. Like many AMERICANS, they choose where to work and whether their Benefit Package serves them and their families.

If you, and I am going to assume you are based on your offerings, didn't get on that, then whose fault is that?

The benefit is not free. You get that, you don't get other things. It's called "negotiation'.

President Trump can help you see how it's done, but in the meantime, take care of your health insurance.
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I see. So those who get free health insurance aren't 'takers', because they negotiated for it. Those who deserve affordable health insurance are takers.

I believe 'negotiation' can take many forms.....electing officials that represent our well being, is but one.
 
Althea said:
Why should any hospital be forced to treat for free? Is that in the Constitution?
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In my opinion they shouldn't, from a business point of view, be forced by federal law to treat someone in need of medical help that doesn't have insurance or a way to pay for the service but from a medical point of view doctors take an oath to do no harm and so in a true emergency situation I think the right thing to do is to treat them and then either work with them for a payment plan or have a state wide system in place to help cover costs for those situations. Again though this comes down to the state itself. In you are living in Texas and have a medical emergency and need medical care then the responsibility for paying for that service falls on you, however, if the state of Texas has a medical system in place that helps cover the cost of emergency care for someone that doesnt have insurance or no real way of paying then i'm fine with that process existing since it was decided by that state to create it.
 
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Althea said:
So you feel that if a state chooses to deny any type of healthcare to it's citizens, those people should be treated for free at a hospital?

And please clarify for Cawacko...you feel that states should have the right to have no healthcare program at all?
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No I think that the right thing to do is to treat them but that the treatment should not be forced on them by the federal government, and yes a state in my opinion should have the right to provide no public healthcare program. If the citizens of that state decide through statewide elections to create a healthcare system then i'm 100% behind that.
 
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