TTIP: This is what the US really wants, thye don't care anout the EU or the UK

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The EU referendum debate has heard a lot of arguments about the future of the UK's trading relationship with Europe. However, US President Barack Obama's remarks that Britain would find itself at the "back of the queue" when drawing up any potential post-Brexit trade deals with the US has also put the focus on Transatlantic commerce.

It is not the first time the US has threatened dire trade consequences should the UK vote to leave the EU on 23 June. Last year, US trade representative Michael Froman warned that if the UK left the EU it would face the same tariffs and trade barriers as other non-EU countries such as China, or Brazil or India. The tariffs which UK exporters pay (as a company based in an EU member country) on goods sent to the US are at present relatively low.

Imports and exports

The heightening of the trade rhetoric seems curious when one examines the current mutually-beneficial trading relationship between the UK and US.
While the EU bloc of nations is the UK's largest export market, that is a large territory comprising of another 27 countries. When it comes to British exports to a single nation, then the US is the UK's biggest export destination, a market worth some £3.5bn. The UK exports a huge variety of items to the US, from gin and industrial chemicals to live animals and vegetable fats. Conversely, the US is the UK's third biggest source of imports, after Germany and China, buying some £2.9bn in goods from America. According to the UK government around 17% of British exports went to the US in 2012. In addition, the US and the UK are each other's largest foreign investors, and "this investment supports approximately one million jobs in each country," it says.

'More opportunities'

So far, so good, but the government has its eyes on what it says is an even bigger potential prize, the signing of a Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal between the EU and US. This is the deal which Barack Obama says the UK risks missing out on if it votes to leave the EU. For the past couple of years negotiations have been taking place on this bi-lateral deal, which, the UK government says "could add as much as £10bn annually to the UK economy in the long term".

It adds: "It could also add £100bn for the EU and £80bn for the US." And according to UK Trade and Investment, which drums up international trade for British firms: "Negotiations between the US and EU for the TTIP should generate even more opportunities for the UK. This will remove trade barriers by lowering tariffs and making regulations similar." TTIP is primarily a deal to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers to trade between the US and EU countries, making it potentially easier for companies on both sides of the Atlantic to access each other's markets. Industries it would affect include pharmaceuticals, cars, energy, finance, chemicals, clothing and food and drink. The government says shoppers would benefit by the removal of EU import tariffs on popular goods, such as jeans and cars.

Foreign investment


It's also claimed that reducing regulation would help UK businesses export to the US, with small businesses in particular predicted to benefit. Tariffs between the EU and US are already low - averaging around 3% - and both sides foresee they will be eliminated under the agreement. The main focus of negotiations is on harmonising regulations, reducing "non-tariff barriers" to trade, or getting rid of them if they're deemed unnecessary.

For instance, US and EU regulators have different requirements for testing the safety of cars, drugs and soft furnishings. Going through the different tests is expensive for firms, particularly in developing new medicines. TTIP aims to reduce those costs by bringing in common standards. Other areas being considered include protection for foreign investors, co-operation to achieve greater participation by small businesses in EU-US trade and a controversial procedure to resolve investment disputes between the US and EU.

'Assault on societies'

Not everyone is enamoured by the potential agreement, with concerns the deal will drive down wages, weaken environmental protection and labour rights, and put the demands of big business before those of citizens. John Hilary, executive director of campaign group War on Want, says: "TTIP is correctly understood not as a negotiation between two competing trading partners, but as an assault on European and US societies by transnational corporations seeking to remove regulatory barriers to their activities on both sides of the Atlantic."

Much of the opposition to TTIP in the UK and other EU countries including Germany, is focused on its provisions for "investor-state dispute settlement". This procedure would allow companies to sue foreign governments over claims of unfair treatment and to be entitled to compensation. Critics say the measures undermine the power of national governments to act in the interests of their citizens. For example, they warn that tobacco giants could use the procedure to challenge restrictive regulations, citing a case in Australia, where Philip Morris Asia used a 1993 trade agreement with Hong Kong as the basis for a legal move to stop a change to packaging.

Poorer standards

In the UK, attention has focused on the potential impact on the NHS, with critics saying TTIP would allow private firms running NHS services to sue the government if it chose to return the services to the public sector. Opponents have called for the NHS to be exempted from TTIP, arguing that other sectors have already secured exemptions, such as the French film industry. The UK government says the details of how the dispute settlement would work are still under negotiation and claims there is no threat to the NHS.Critics also worry about the impact on food standards, arguing that the EU has much stricter regulations on GM crops, pesticide use and food additives than the US. They say the TTIP deal could open the EU market to cheaper products with poorer standards. They also warn that food giants could use investor-state dispute settlements to bully governments into dropping legislation to improve food standards.

Week of talks

Irrespective of how the UK population decides to vote on 23 June regarding EU membership, the TTIP ship sails on. The next round of talks, the 13th, is due to open on Monday in New York and run until Friday. Some commentators say that if a deal is not signed before Barack Obama leaves office in January 2017, then negotiations could stall while there are elections in the US, France and Germany. So, all to play for on the trade front, not only for the UK, but also the US and EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36123622
 
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Tom is so angry he misspelled "they"... and "about" :rofl2:

What a surprise! We have a leader who's looking out for OUR best interests instead of yours.
 
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I hope the UK does leave the EU. I'm all about nations maintaining their unique identities culturally and financially.
 
I hope the UK does leave the EU. I'm all about nations maintaining their unique identities culturally and financially.

Without the EU, Shitain will be even less great.

Their unique identity will be "broke, irrelevant and insignificant".

I read this morning that many Europeans want the slimy Limeys to leave...the Welsh, Scots, and a lot of Irish feel the same way, and have for centuries.

Soon it may be the DK...the Dismembered Kingdom.
 
Much of the opposition to TTIP in the UK and other EU countries including Germany, is focused on its provisions for "investor-state dispute settlement". This procedure would allow companies to sue foreign governments over claims of unfair treatment and to be entitled to compensation
first off..i seem to recall either GB or the EU or both not wanting US beef because of mad cow disease ( or something)

^ but to the above quote -
this is exactly what the TPP ( TrasPacificPartnership) has in place that Obama has negotiated -
and what Bernie has long rejected as a sop to international corps.
( and Hillary has too now -after her shape shifting from calling it previously the "gold standard of trade agreements"..

I have to wonder if the EU really wants this..
 
No, we won't import US beef because it is shot full of hormones.

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Actually the EU wants to sign up another five countries ffs!!

Gove warns of migration 'free-for-all' if Britain votes to stay in the EU because expansion will hand millions from five nations including Turkey the right to move freely to the UK


  • Mr Gove insists new EU members pose a 'serious threat' to public services
  • Warned NHS will be put under an 'unquantifiable strain' by migrant influx
  • Anxious about Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, Turkey inclusion
Justice Secretary Michael Gove has warned that the UK faces a migration 'free for all' unless it breaks away from Brussels. Mr Gove insisted potential new members of the EU such as Turkey and Albania pose a 'direct and serious threat' to public services like the NHS, and social harmony. He also warned that the NHS will be put under an 'unquantifiable strain' by the influx of migrants and refugees an open door policy would continue to allow.

Writing in The Times, Mr Gove said: 'The EU response to the migration crisis is a Five Nations free-for-all with an invitation to Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania and Turkey to join the Union. 'Because we cannot control our borders - and because our deal sadly does nothing to change this fact - public services such as the NHS will face an unquantifiable strain as millions more become EU citizens and have the right to move to the UK. 'We cannot guarantee the same access people currently enjoy to healthcare and housing if these trends continue. 'There is a direct and serious threat to our public services, standard of living and ability to maintain social solidarity if we accept continued EU membership.'

The justice secretary's comments come as the Leave camp moved to exploit an admission from the Government that EU free movement of labour rules make it harder to curb immigration. Eurosceptics are desperate to rescue referendum initiative from Barack Obama by putting immigration at the top of the agenda following the US president's insistence Britain stays in the EU.

 
do we care who is in the EU?........they're all irrelevant anyway......
President Obama and David Cameron most likely discussed TTIP. The deal reads like a wish list for big corporations. It could lower the quality of our food by forcing us to import hormone riddled beef, GM foods and sundry other crap. It will enable US healthcare companies to get their hands on the NHS and allow big businesses to sue our government if they don’t like our laws. That's why we are incandescent with rage over Obama and his remarks. We don't want to end up like you lot beholden to crony capitalists.

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The greatest threat posed by TTIP to us- the citizens- is that giant corporations will be able to sue governments, everybody's governments , if the policies of those governments conflict with those of the corporations. That is Capitalism at its most insane to date, folks, and we'd be fools to allow it.
 
The greatest threat posed by TTIP to us- the citizens- is that giant corporations will be able to sue governments, everybody's governments , if the policies of those governments conflict with those of the corporations. That is Capitalism at its most insane to date, folks, and we'd be fools to allow it.

Seems that we finally agree on something, maybe you can now see why we are so bloody angry with Obama!! He is just a Trojan Horse for US mega corporations.
 
did you know, I CAN look what its done to me and you can't......thus, you aren't qualified to speak about what its done to me.......
Well it's seemingly turned you into a cantankerous old git, of course that's assuming that you weren't a cantankerous young git in the past.

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Well it's seemingly turned you into a cantankerous old git, of course that's assuming that you weren't a cantankerous young git in the past.

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GMO foods don't turn you into anything.......fear of them can turn entire nations into gibbering fools.......
 
Seems that we finally agree on something, maybe you can now see why we are so bloody angry with Obama!! He is just a Trojan Horse for US mega corporations.

Of course- but his support for the UK remaining in the EU is welcome because it will enable the ' Remain ' campaign to win. That will be good for the common man in the UK because European human rights legislation will protect him from the excesses of stonkingly-bad Brit government.
Why should I care about the UK common man ? Because all our future freedoms depend upon international unity amongst the world's civilians. We are ALL fucked if current trends of rights-squashing continue.

Civilians can unite to scrap TTIP.
 
did you know, I CAN look what its done to me and you can't......thus, you aren't qualified to speak about what its done to me.......
I drink organic cow's milk. The growth hormones tend to buildup in milk more because its a secretion of the cow. I would think hormones would be higher here -and the article below tends to support this.
The anti-biotics may be worse, but there is only so much I can afford to pay

I am seriously NOT worried about hormone growth beef= not when I have to pay over $5 lb for grown beef @ <10% fat

http://igrow.org/livestock/beef/hormones-in-beef-myth-vs.-fact/
common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. The fact is that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulates the development and use of hormone implants and the Food Safety Inspection Service of the USDA routinely monitors residues of synthetic hormones in meat. It is true that beef from hormone-implanted cattle has increased estrogenic activity compared with non-implanted beef. This fact alone may alarm beef consumers but it must be put into the context of actual amount consumed and the levels found in other products. As shown in Table 1., beef from a non-implanted steer contains .85 units of estrogenic activity per 3 oz. serving, while beef from an implanted steer contains 1.2 units of estrogenic activity in the same serving. However, this amount is a fraction of what is found in many other common foods. For example the same quantity of eggs would provide 94 units of estrogenic activity and a 3 oz. serving of tofu would provide 19,306,004 units of estrogenic activity. In fact, a normal adult male produces 136,000 ng of estrogen per day while a non-pregnant women produces 513,000 ng/day on average, making consumption of the levels of estrogen in implanted beef relatively inconsequential. - See more at: http://igrow.org/livestock/beef/hormones-in-beef-myth-vs.-fact/#sthash.71I6ifWL.dpuf
 
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