“TSA confiscated record number of guns from airline passengers in 2022”

[SmarterthanYou]

Why?

because they are. they hate freedom, hate the Constitution, and try to use government as their political weapon against those they hate.

Then why do you have all those guns?

asked and answered several times

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No...I don't think you ever gave a clear explanation for why you had that as your AVI.

I've heard your explanations for why you changed it, but not for why you had it in the first place.

I did give a very clear explanation of both. several times.

 

[Into the Night]

who are the militia? every able bodied person. well regulated? yep, I have military training and I practice at the range regularly. there, I meet your requirement.

No. The militia is a body of men organized by a government. That's the 'well regulated' part. State militias are commanded by the State governor. The national militia (the National Guard) is commanded by the President.

There is NO condition that one must be a member of a militia to be a people, or to own and carry any weapon, including any gun.

The 2nd amendment discusses two related rights, both of self defense:
1) The right of a free State to defend itself. It does this by organizing militias (an army).
2) The right of an individual to defend himself. He does this by owning and carrying weapons, including guns.

One is not conditioned upon the other. To accept that concept is to discard the 2nd amendment and the reason the founders included it in the Bill of Rights.

The right of self defense is absolute. Both for a State, and again for every individual. Even animals have this right. This right does not come from any constitution or piece of paper. That right of self defense is by any means necessary.

As you are already aware, but must be reiterated for morons like LV426, the founders understood this principle, which affects all nations. They chose to NOT give the federal government any authority over limiting guns or any other weapon. They further chose to include a specific agreement among the States that they have no authority to ban or limit any weapon either (including guns). The 2nd amendment is there because of the States agreeing to it. The federal government already had no authority given to them to ban or limit any weapon. The 2nd amendment only reinforces that concept.

To say that States have authority to ban or limit any weapon or to limit them to one class or another is to discard the 2nd, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments.

It also attempts to discard an inherent right, which is not possible.

LV246 is simply afraid of guns. He has a bad case of hoplophobia, and wants to enforce his fear upon everyone else...which won't work, of course.

 

[LV426]

because they are. they hate freedom

Do they hate freedom or do they hate oppression? Because it doesn't seem to me like you understand the difference.

It is not a free society if I have to comply with anyone who waves a gun around, and it's not a free society if I have to get a gun myself because of other people waving their guns around.

Your idea of freedom is really accommodation; meaning we have to accommodate you because if we don't, you're going to do something terrible...that is the implication you make here every fucking day whether you like it or not.

hate the Constitution,

Again, which one of us was a fanboy of a violent, anti-American, anti-government domestic terrorist group? You. So this is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL projection. You are an authoritarian by nature, and in your warped mind, if you aren't accommodated you are oppressed.

and try to use government as their political weapon against those they hate.

I sure would love if that was ever the case for the Left, but it's never been.

Only those on the Right have used government as their political weapon against those they hate, and I know that to be true because of how many BIPOC people cops kill every year.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No. The militia is a body of men organized by a government.

that is not what the founding fathers used as their definition prior to, during, and after ratification

 

[Into the Night]

I am correct. You lose. "A well regulated militia being necessary..."

Assumption of victory fallacy. Discard of the 2nd amendment by redefinition.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Do they hate freedom or do they hate oppression? Because it doesn't seem to me like you understand the difference.

It is not a free society if I have to comply with anyone who waves a gun around, and it's not a free society if I have to get a gun myself because of other people waving their guns around.

Your idea of freedom is really accommodation; meaning we have to accommodate you because if we don't, you're going to do something terrible...that is the implication you make here every fucking day whether you like it or not.

this is opposite thinking, on your part. it's also hyperbolic and false, on your part.

 

[LV426]

I did give a very clear explanation of both. several times.

No you didn't.

But if you did, fine...then just humor me now.

I know you gave the reason you left the group, but not the reason you were a fanboy of them in the first place.

It's OK to say why...I'm not going to judge you for it now because you say you already left....but what drew you to them in the first place, is what I'm asking.

 

[Into the Night]

You are not allowed to carry a gun on an airplane...

Unconstitutional.

So it is not an absolute right.

Yes it is.

A teacher is not allowed to take a gun to school...

Unconstitutional.

not an absolute right.

Yes it is.

One is not allowed to carry a gun to a Trump rally...

Unconstitutional.

not an absolute right.

Yes it is.

No individual is allowed to possess nuclear arms...

Unconstitutional.

not an absolute right.

Yes it is.

 

[Into the Night]

So you have a hobby.

But that doesn't make you a part of any militia.

Having a hobby isn't the same thing as being in a militia.

There is NO requirement to be a member of a militia to own and carry a gun or any other weapon.

 

[Into the Night]

Hell, you are not even allowed to take a gun to an NRA conference.

Yes you are.

 

[LV426]

LV246 is simply afraid of guns. He has a bad case of hoplophobia, and wants to enforce his fear upon everyone else...which won't work, of course.

If I have to comply with anyone who waves a gun around, then it's not guns that I'm "afraid of", it's the people waving the guns around that are the problem.

You all like to say "guns aren't the problem, people are"...well, why does your stupid ass then want to give the problem guns?

It's that dissonance that creeped up on you in the other thread you lost, rearing its head again.

 

[Into the Night]

You believe guns come from a mythical God.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Where the hell did you get THAT one from??????????!?

 

[Into the Night]

where do rights come from?

They simply exist. The right of self defense is absolute.

 

[Into the Night]

You can disagree all you want, it is not an absolute right.

Do you disagree that I should be allowed to prevent access to my home for people with arms?

The right of self defense is absolute. You cannot change that.

How are you going to prevent access to your home for people with arms?

 

[LV426]

this is opposite thinking, on your part. it's also hyperbolic and false, on your part.

I think you understand the fact that it's not freedom to have to comply with guns; and I think you also understand the fact that it's not freedom to have to get a gun so you can create conflict around that compliance.

All of that shit is oppression, and it's borne out of PTSD; we have become so traumatized by guns that so many have the ridiculous belief that they keep people safe when all they do is raise the stakes and force compliance at gunpoint in the best case, or result in a mass shooting in the worst.

People shooting at each other everywhere is not an indication of a free society.

And then telling traumatized people to go buy the thing that traumatized them is deeply cynical and wholly capitalist.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course every single gun is obtained that way...guns don't magically appear out of thin air into the hands of a criminal.

Criminals don't have gun manufacturing plants; they buy from straw purchasers, steal from losers like you, find the gun because it was lost, or are just given it by someone.

But every single gun out there was a gun that was first legally purchased.

There is no such thing as an 'illegal purchase'. Any such designation is unconstitutional.
Criminals DO manufacture their own guns. It's actually fairly easy. They also buy their guns. They also steal guns.

NONE of this takes away the absolute right of self defense or the right to own and carry a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

it is. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED



no, it's your property, right? and don't even bother jumping on the 'see, it's not absolute if I can say no'............that would very clearly illustrate you know nothing about rights.

Press this question to him:
How does he prevent anyone from accessing his property if they are armed with a gun?

 

[LV426]

There is NO requirement to be a member of a militia to own and carry a gun or any other weapon.

Well there is the "well regulated" part...so there are requirements in the regulation.

 

[Into the Night]

This once again… not absolute.

The right to self defense is absolute.