“TSA confiscated record number of guns from airline passengers in 2022”

Diesel said:
I agree with that wholeheartedly. I think plane travel is the worst, most inconvenient, and least efficient way to transport people.
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That's not quite true; it's the only efficient way. Time is a precious commodity.
The real problem is that too many people tolerate its shortcomings and thus give the carriers no incentive to improve.
I'm not one of them, however. I've just stopped traveling, and the airlines are the ONLY reason why.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
How's that security working out for you? You do realize that Colorado is an open carry state, no license required? except for the communist city of Denver, that is. And if my memory serves, no guns were used on 9/11..........

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851

TSA Chief Out After Agents Fail 95 Percent of Airport Breach Tests
A DHS investigation found security breaches that allowed undercover investigators to smuggle weapons through checkpoints at dozens of U.S. airports.
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Is that 8-year-old article still accurate? I've never witnessed gunfire on an airplane or in an NFL stadium. Colorado still has a lot of laws on the books from its early days, including no license open carry. Grocery stores will be able to sell wine for the first time in state history in March 2023.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
That's not quite true; it's the only efficient way. Time is a precious commodity.
The real problem is that too many people tolerate its shortcomings and thus give the carriers no incentive to improve.
I'm not one of them, however. I've just stopped traveling, and the airlines are the ONLY reason why.
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I don't agree.

When flight travel goes seamlessly it is acceptable at best. Parking is a hassle. Lines are long. Old people and families clog up walkways. If one single thing goes wrong somewhere, it can virtually or actually shut down all air travel in the entire country. It's happened twice in less than a month. It takes days for airports and airlines to recover all while people miss funerals and weddings and births and risk losing their jobs because they can't get to where they're going and are helpless about it. Then if you're lucky enough to have a flight that goes where it's supposed to go when it's supposed to go there, passengers are treated like cattle, crammed into uncomfortably small spaces, and given lackluster service by overworked, underpaid staffs who couldn't care less about any of it.

I fly a lot because it is faster than traveling on the road. There is also no way to get overseas without flying or riding on a boat for weeks. Faster, however, is not the only component of efficiency. I fly because I have to, but I find the entire process miserable.
 
Diesel said:
I don't agree.

When flight travel goes seamlessly it is acceptable at best. Parking is a hassle. Lines are long. Old people and families clog up walkways. If one single thing goes wrong somewhere, it can virtually or actually shut down all air travel in the entire country. It's happened twice in less than a month. It takes days for airports and airlines to recover all while people miss funerals and weddings and births and risk losing their jobs because they can't get to where they're going and are helpless about it. Then if you're lucky enough to have a flight that goes where it's supposed to go when it's supposed to go there, passengers are treated like cattle, crammed into uncomfortably small spaces, and given lackluster service by overworked, underpaid staffs who couldn't care less about any of it.

I fly a lot because it is faster than traveling on the road. There is also no way to get overseas without flying or riding on a boat for weeks. Faster, however, is not the only component of efficiency. I fly because I have to, but I find the entire process miserable.
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The whole process is indeed miserable, and frankly, as a retiree, I don't even care about traveling for work.
But if a person has two weeks for a holiday
and spends three days driving to his detination
and three days driving home,
it's not much of a vacation, is it?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The whole process is indeed miserable, and frankly, as a retiree, I don't even care about traveling for work.
But if a person has two weeks for a holiday
and spends three days driving to his detination
and three days driving home,
it's not much of a vacation, is it?
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It's certainly a necessary evil. It's just stunning that the experience gets consistently worse, not better, year after year and decade after decade. I remember adequate space for an average-sized person, meals, and service. Now I notice that two thirds of the flight are blacked out drunk or on pills because it's the only way to survive most flights.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
then tell me what part you didn't understand so I can help you better.
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I understand it all. It's you who needs a lesson.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
 
Diesel said:
It's certainly a necessary evil. It's just stunning that the experience gets consistently worse, not better, year after year and decade after decade. I remember adequate space for an average-sized person, meals, and service. Now I notice that two thirds of the flight are blacked out drunk or on pills because it's the only way to survive most flights.
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That's certainly true.
 
Diesel said:
I understand it all. It's you who needs a lesson.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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then, please, tell me why you think I haven't read it. What part of my post is wrong? BE SPECIFIC

the founders did NOT trust a standing military, fool. Almost all of their writings indicate that. you obviously ignored the whole non accountability issue, didn't you? the government has NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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SmarterthanYou said:
then, please, tell me why you think I haven't read it. What part of my post is wrong? BE SPECIFIC
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Sigh. You don't need to all caps scream like a 13-year-old girl. The federal government was instituted in part to protect the country's citizens.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
they were at one time, so yes. it wasn't a problem then. I know, YOU have zero faith in other human beings that aren't elected to political office or are armed government agents, but that's your problem, not the rest of society. An armed society is a polite society.
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it is everyone's problem when a gun nut with a bad temper and insecurity issues pulls a gun on a plane in any of the thousands of disputes that happen between passengers and flight attendants.


Think of all the nutter on the right who, knowing airline policy, refused to wear a mask on the plane and had to eventually be physically removed, and think of them now armed in the air, and making it clear they are armed when the dispute begins.


No one else needs to deal with that crap.
 
QP! said:
it is everyone's problem when a gun nut with a bad temper and insecurity issues pulls a gun on a plane in any of the thousands of disputes that happen between passengers and flight attendants.


Think of all the nutter on the right who, knowing airline policy, refused to wear a mask on the plane and had to eventually be physically removed, and think of them now armed in the air, and making it clear they are armed when the dispute begins.


No one else needs to deal with that crap.
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It is my firm belief that humans as a species are not capable of responsibly handling, storing, or securing firearms.
 
LV426 said:
It is my firm belief that humans as a species are not capable of responsibly handling, storing, or securing firearms.
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They're not capable of making sense on the internet, either, but here we are.

We live in the US, LV, and our founders encouraged us to cap one another's asses routinely.
We can either rethink the republic, or live with the gunfire.
If we want to preserve America as it was founded, then we ought to shut up about the guns.
If we wish to partition into new nations, than each one can figure out gun issues on its own.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
We live in the US, LV, and our founders encouraged us to cap one another's asses routinely
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No, the founders encouraged white people to cap Black people, immigrants, women, and other minorities because most of the founders were unapologetic slaveholding misogynists and every single police department or sheriffs office in America is derived solely and exclusively from slave patrols.

You don't subscribe to 18th century medical care, so why subscribe to 18th century governance?


We can either rethink the republic, or live with the gunfire.
If we want to preserve America as it was founded, then we ought to shut up about the guns.
If we wish to partition into new nations, than each one can figure out gun issues on its own.
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America was founded on the principle of freedom from taxation for white, land-owning men.

That's why it took Constitutional amendments to grant Black people and women the right to vote.

Who wants to preserve a system that was designed to benefit slaveowners, obviously the people who benefit from such institutional racism.

We don't need to partition into new nations, we just need to ban guns because no one can responsibly handle them.
 
LV426 said:
We don't need to partition into new nations, we just need to ban guns because no one can responsibly handle them.
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Whether people can handle them or not is totally irrelevant. What's relevant is that people WANT them.
A free country lets people have what they want.

This "big tent" country has consensus on nothing, and thus, in our fifty state configuration, we will fight about it forever.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Whether people can handle them or not is totally irrelevant. What's relevant is that people WANT them.
A free country lets people have what they want
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Don't know how to explain this any other way but the problem with letting every dipshit have a gun, while also saying we should respect and preserve law enforcement, means you have to comply with any fucking nutcase who waves a gun around.

That doesn't sound like freedom to me...it sounds like oppression.
 
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