Trump's foreign policy speech

anatta said:
I'm really sick of reporters/pundits this campaign. They have been pushing the Clntonian inevitability from before the start of the primary.
Now the mock and ridicule Trump instead of giving analysis..

Nothing wrong with a solid critique, but not the mindless ridicule the left press passes out.
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It would be business as usual except I can't tell if I'm reading the National Reveiw or HuffPo when it comes to opinion pieces on Trump. I've never seen anything like it.
 
Legion Troll said:
That doesn't make Trump a statesman, and that speech is riddled with inaccuracies, contradictions, and little substance.
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Knowing Trump there is little substance..i have to go thru it line by line..i don't careabout a few inaccuracies -I do care abut his worldview
and from what I've seen he's more an isolationists -which is also an unacceptable US role in a dangerous world.

Ya. I agree with your statement as far as I know...what I object to is partisans who won't see how shitty Hillary is also.
 
anatta said:
Knowing Trump there is little substance..i have to go thru it line by line..i don't careabout a few inaccuracies -I do care abut his worldview
and from what I've seen he's more an isolationists -which is also an unacceptable US role in a dangerous world.

Ya. I agree with your statement as far as I know...what I object to is partisans who won't see how shitty Hillary is also.
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Hillary is shitty. That doesn't make Trump less shitty. Does it?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
It would be business as usual except I can't tell if I'm reading the National Reveiw or HuffPo when it comes to opinion pieces on Trump. I've never seen anything like it.
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forget the press, they are either Hillary zealots like WAPO, or pundits with nothing to offer..
establishment freaks who only care about guarding their powers etc.
 
anatta said:
Knowing Trump there is little substance..i have to go thru it line by line..i don't careabout a few inaccuracies -I do care abut his worldview
and from what I've seen he's more an isolationists -which is also an unacceptable US role in a dangerous world.

Ya. I agree with your statement as far as I know...what I object to is partisans who won't see how shitty Hillary is also.
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There's certainly some fair criticisms of Trumps speech. It would be a first if there wasn't lol. But most policy speeches by prospective candidates are heavy on general principles and light on specifics. So that isn't one of them.
 
I'd just like to give a shout-out to everyone who was in on this discussion. This has been a really good thread - some minor insults, but otherwise most here taking real positions and trying to explain their POV.

I still think Trump's speech was ludicrous, but I appreciated hearing the counterpoints. They at least made me think about it a bit more.
 
anatta said:
true enough....shittiness abounds :rolleyes: I do need to read his speech, but I'm already not thrilled with "America first" as some kina policy driver
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Here's a snippet:

My goal is to establish a foreign policy that will endure for several generations. That is why I will also look for talented experts with new approaches, and practical ideas, rather than surrounding myself with those who have perfect resumes but very little to brag about except responsibility for a long history of failed policies and continued losses at war.

Finally, I will work with our allies to reinvigorate Western values and institutions. Instead of trying to spread “universal values” that not everyone shares, we should understand that strengthening and promoting Western civilization and its accomplishments will do more to inspire positive reforms around the world than military interventions. [Trump speech]

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump-foreign-policy-15960?page=4
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I couldn't care less about Trump's steaks or what he's said about them. But I can't find a problem with what he said in those two paragraphs from his speech. What amazes me is why more liberals don't see it that way too.

If he pulls it off, it's a recipe for less war.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Here's a snippet:

My goal is to establish a foreign policy that will endure for several generations. That is why I will also look for talented experts with new approaches, and practical ideas, rather than surrounding myself with those who have perfect resumes but very little to brag about except responsibility for a long history of failed policies and continued losses at war.

Finally, I will work with our allies to reinvigorate Western values and institutions. Instead of trying to spread “universal values” that not everyone shares, we should understand that strengthening and promoting Western civilization and its accomplishments will do more to inspire positive reforms around the world than military interventions. [Trump speech]

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump-foreign-policy-15960?page=4
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I couldn't care less about Trump's steaks or what he's said about them. But I can't find a problem with what he said in those two paragraphs from his speech. What amazes me is why more liberals don't see it that way too.

If he pulls it off, it's a recipe for less war.
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When isolated, certain parts of his speech are very appealing to me. The problem is that the speech as a whole has no coherency. I could take some of that speech and put it together and he sounds like a liberal pacifist. I could take others where he sounds like a nationalist & isolationist. I could take still others where he sounds like a nation-building hawk.

And then combine that with other things that he has said on the campaign trail - not ruling out the use of nukes, calling for "much worse" than waterboarding, indiscriminate bombing, ideas for ISIS that clearly would call for troops on the ground, etc.. When you sum it all up, all it tells me is that he has no core principles on world policy, is erratic, will be prone to rash decisions and is basically (like everything else) making it up as he goes along.

That's just how I see him. And I've observed Trump for a long time. Even met the dude once (he was very pleasant in person).
 
Thing1 said:
Again - we're not talking about battle plans or covert ops. We're talking about strategy, and plans where we have to involve allies & that the American people absolutely have a right to know.

He's a child. He doesn't have a "secret plan" to defeat ISIS. Using the "unpredictable" excuse just allows him to get away w/ that.

You make way too many excuses for this buffoon.
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Like you have the knowledge to critique if he did.

I know it is fun for you to pretend you are indignant but just sit back and enjoy the ride.

You can't do anything about it.
 
I Love America said:
Like you have the knowledge to critique if he did.

I know it is fun for you to pretend you are indignant but just sit back and enjoy the ride.

You can't do anything about it.
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Well, I can't do anything about anything, but I still post here. A Trump Presidency scares me. But a Bush Presidency did, too, and we got through that (well, there was that whole decade+ war thing)...
 
Thing1 said:
When isolated, certain parts of his speech are very appealing to me. The problem is that the speech as a whole has no coherency. I could take some of that speech and put it together and he sounds like a liberal pacifist. I could take others where he sounds like a nationalist & isolationist. I could take still others where he sounds like a nation-building hawk.

And then combine that with other things that he has said on the campaign trail - not ruling out the use of nukes, calling for "much worse" than waterboarding, indiscriminate bombing, ideas for ISIS that clearly would call for troops on the ground, etc.. When you sum it all up, all it tells me is that he has no core principles on world policy, is erratic, will be prone to rash decisions and is basically (like everything else) making it up as he goes along.

That's just how I see him. And I've observed Trump for a long time. Even met the dude once (he was very pleasant in person).
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Well, I read the speech for third time with an eye for gross incoherencies and didn't see any. You could probably go through it with a fine toothed comb and pick something out but you can do that with virtually any policy speech by any candidate.

We'll agree to disagree on the stuff Trump has said in the past. I won't argue for a minute that he bloviates, engages in bluster and hyperbole etc, when speaking off the cuff. But that's Trump. This is a policy speech we're talking about: it's his first formal proclamation of what he would do [and not do] as president Trump, and I see no glaring problem with it.

In fact, it was better than expected in my opinion.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, I read the speech for third time with an eye for gross incoherencies and didn't see any. You could probably go through it with a fine toothed comb and pick something out but you can do that with virtually any policy speech by any candidate.

We'll agree to disagree on the stuff Trump has said in the past. I won't argue for a minute that he bloviates, engages in bluster and hyperbole etc, when speaking off the cuff. But that's Trump. This is a policy speech we're talking about: it's his first formal proclamation of what he would do [and not do] as president Trump, and I see no glaring problem with it.

In fact, it was better than expected in my opinion.
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Experts continue to weigh in on the speech.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/27/trump-inconsistencies-foreign-policy

http://mediamatters.org/research/20...nt-and-fact-free-foreign-policy-speech/210122
 
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