Trump's foreign policy speech

Northwestman said:
I don't mind less information. I opposed Obama announcing when we were leaving Afghanistan. Attacks stepped up as the date neared. I often think we give out too much information to the enemies.
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You OPPOSE Obama announcing when we're leaving Afghanistan?

Have you thought through the implications of a "surprise withdrawal" for Afghanistan and the region in general?

Man, are you guys naive when it comes to foreign policy.
 
Thing1 said:
You OPPOSE Obama announcing when we're leaving Afghanistan?

Have you thought through the implications of a "surprise withdrawal" for Afghanistan and the region in general?

Man, are you guys naive when it comes to foreign policy.
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His hard line time to leave. Dumbest thing ever. At least you didn't deny attacks increased as the dead line neared.
 
I mean, seriously - ultimately, this is why popular elections do not work, and why Trump has so many supporters.

As a populace, we simply do not understand even the surface of complexities in foreign policy, trade, financial policy, etc. It's no knock against us - most of us are too busy and do not have the time or interest in those matters. But it's silly to have a country like America vote for a leader because he can confidently talk about a "secret plan" and has good zingers for his opponents.
 
Thing1 said:
I mean, seriously - ultimately, this is why popular elections do not work, and why Trump has so many supporters.

As a populace, we simply do not understand even the surface of complexities in foreign policy, trade, financial policy, etc. It's no knock against us - most of us are too busy and do not have the time or interest in those matters. But it's silly to have a country like America vote for a leader because he can confidently talk about a "secret plan" and has good zingers for his opponents.
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You're hung up on the secret plan lol. I took a few minutes to read the speech and after digesting it I'm bumping it up from pretty good to excellent. There are legitimate criticisms to parts of it but people can no longer say Trump lacks a foreign policy vision---whether they agree with it is another matter.

He questions some of the assumptions liberals have been shouting about since the Bush years: how some parts of the world just aren't amenable to democracy and how instead of radical change in the region we should focus instead on stabilizing it. I don't agree with the NATO bit myself: on the other hand, NATO is a relic and why shouldn't we re-examine it to see how it can be tweaked.

On the face of it, this should appeal to a lot of people.
 
Northwestman said:
Not giving a hard date. Maybe, we will be phasing out but will see how things are on the ground.
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Again, you need to think of the implications for Afghanistan & the region. There are many who would need to prepare for a U.S. departure in that kind of situation. It's not something you can ballpark or be vague about to try to "trick" the enemy.
 
Northwestman said:
I don't remember seeing him outline his plans before he implemented them. Surely you have a link that can prove your claim.
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Obama's policy [if you want to call it that] is part reacting to what happens coupled with trying to stay out of whatever the hell blows up in our face. With some 'not saying radical Islam' thrown in for good measure.

Hence, 'leading from behind' and the birth of ISIS. If Trump doesn't hang that around Hillary's neck I'll be very surprised.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You're hung up on the secret plan lol. I took a few minutes to read the speech and after digesting it I'm bumping it up from pretty good to excellent. There are legitimate criticisms to parts of it but people can no longer say Trump lacks a foreign policy vision---whether they agree with it is another matter.

He questions some of the assumptions liberals have been shouting about since the Bush years: how some parts of the world just aren't amenable to democracy and how instead of radical change in the region we should focus instead on stabilizing it. I don't agree with the NATO bit myself: on the other hand, NATO is a relic and why shouldn't we re-examine it to see how it can be tweaked.

On the face of it, this should appeal to a lot of people.
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Only if they don't know much. He talks about avoiding nation building, but then in the next breath talks about stabilizing areas - which means keeping troops there & essentially nation-building.

It appeals to nationalists. It holds no appeal for anyone who understands even the basics of sound foreign policy.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I don't know, if you have a plan for defeating ISIS why should you let them in on it lol? Why let them in on timetables for our actions? And we should have learned under Obama about the downside of being predictable. Like predictably not following through on a red line or predictably kowtowing to Iran.

Why shouldn't Japan or other countries pay us for protecting them?
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Japan does pay retard.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I don't know, if you have a plan for defeating ISIS why should you let them in on it lol? Why let them in on timetables for our actions? And we should have learned under Obama about the downside of being predictable. Like predictably not following through on a red line or predictably kowtowing to Iran.

Why shouldn't Japan or other countries pay us for protecting them?
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If the US army were able to defeat ISIS, don't you think that they would be advising Obama that they have a sure fire plan to defeat ISIS. I fail to see what Trump will do to bring this about that the military has not already considered. They are going to inform him that he is an idiot.

If we don't support Japan, why should we support Israel?
 
Thing1 said:
Again - we're not talking about battle plans or covert ops. We're talking about strategy, and plans where we have to involve allies & that the American people absolutely have a right to know.

He's a child. He doesn't have a "secret plan" to defeat ISIS. Using the "unpredictable" excuse just allows him to get away w/ that.

You make way too many excuses for this buffoon.
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Thing1 said:
Only if they don't know much. He talks about avoiding nation building, but then in the next breath talks about stabilizing areas - which means keeping troops there & essentially nation-building.

It appeals to nationalists. It holds no appeal for anyone who understands even the basics of sound foreign policy.
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To be consistent, I guess you would consider any NATO peace keeping troops sent to a hot spot would in essence be 'nation building'....?
 
NOVA said:
To be consistent, I guess you would consider any NATO peace keeping troops sent to a hot spot would in essence be 'nation building'....?
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The kind of stabilization that Trump is talking about is nation-building. We're talking about a long-term presence.

I get that you're looking for a gotcha, but I'm not necessarily opposed to those kinds of actions. My point was more that Trump contradicted himself all over the place yesterday. Every military guy who I saw interviewed after that speech agreed w/ that assessment, as well.
 
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