Trump's foreign policy speech

anatta said:
He has made this false statement before, also in the context of blaming Clinton for destroying Libya. The fact is that ISIS does fund itself through the sale of oil, but not in Libya. The Washington Post did an entire piece on the inaccuracy of that and a similar statement he previously made, concluding ultimately that ISIS has not claimed any oil at all in Libya.

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very little oil is being pumped. Down to about 335 thousand bpd / while under Qadaffi it was about 1.6 million bpd.

However Clinton was the chief architect and advocate for the Libyan war which DID allow ISIS to move in ( mostly the Sirte basin, but also in Derna)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html

Hillary Clinton,
‘Smart Power’
and a
Dictator’s Fall

The president was wary. The secretary
of state was persuasive. But the ouster
of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi left Libya
a failed state and a terrorist haven.
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Trump, based on his policy speech, seems less inclined to use force haphazardly. But when it is used there should be a clear path to victory. The only people who would disagree with that, especially after the last 15 years, won't like anything Trump has to say---because he's Trump lol.

He also used a TelePrompTer for the second time. If I was his advisor I'd counsel sticking to it because he can come off as 'presidential' as anyone in the field.

I also like his 'not going for the false song of globalism bit'. Trump is right: we always seem to come up on the short end of the stick on some of these trade treaties. Screw that, let's get back to putting American interests first.

Overall, I think his speech was pretty good and has an excellent chance of persuading the undecideds.
 
Legion Troll said:
I'll bet Obama kicks himself for appointing her, but he had to throw the Clinton machine a bone, I suppose.

Didn't she "decide to leave" shortly after that? Health reasons?
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I honestly can't remebr..I supported her in '08- thinking her Iraq vote was just going along with the times/crowd.
Then she turned out to be a neo-hawk for real
 
anatta said:
I honestly can't remebr..I supported her in '08- thinking her Iraq vote was just going along with the times/crowd. Then she turned out to be a neo-hawk for real
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The only good thing about Hillary is that she's not Trump.

The only good thing about Trump is that he's not Hillary.

What a mess. :palm:
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Trump, based on his policy speech, seems less inclined to use force haphazardly. But when it is used there should be a clear path to victory. The only people who would disagree with that, especially after the last 15 years, won't like anything Trump has to say---because he's Trump lol.

He also used a TelePrompTer for the second time. If I was his advisor I'd counsel sticking to it because he can come off as 'presidential' as anyone in the field.

I also like his 'not going for the false song of globalism bit'. Trump is right: we always seem to come up on the short end of the stick on some of these trade treaties. Screw that, let's get back to putting American interests first.

Overall, I think his speech was pretty good and has an excellent chance of persuading the undecideds.
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what worries me is his misunderstanding of leadership -so called power projection. If you pull out of centralAsia ( not in a war role) you lose access to intelligence.
And Putin may agree to some Cold War era type detante' but make no mistake he is bent on creating Russian empire..

THen again Bernie -as much as I like him has no clue on this either - his ideas of "coaltitions" are fine -but for a coalition to form it still takes US leadership.

Most worrisome about Trump is his willingness to dissolve NATO over membership payments -that is a really bad idea.
NATO is extremely imporatant not just with Russia,.but incorporating western Europe into defense strategies.

I'm not sure of his China policy. for sure they are not strategic allies -but I think they aren't really expansionists beyond their sphere of influence
 
the most important thing i like about it is it takes a look at the US strengths as it is now and tries to adjust accordingly. It tells our allies that we need their help if this arrangement to continue.

Neocons and Neolibs see the world thru a strange contradiction. On the one hand they see a US that is so strong that it can continue indefinetly funding and subsidizing every other world government but on the other hand they see the US as so weak and unimportant that it will be immiediatly excluded if it tries to get more equitable terms.

Trump's foreign policy provides a reality check we desperately need.
 
tsuke said:
the most important thing i like about it is it takes a look at the US strengths as it is now and tries to adjust accordingly. It tells our allies that we need their help if this arrangement to continue. Neocons and Neolibs see the world thru a strange contradiction. On the one hand they see a US that is so strong that it can continue indefinetly funding and subsidizing every other world government but on the other hand they see the US as so weak and unimportant that it will be immiediatly excluded if it tries to get more equitable terms. Trump's foreign policy provides a reality check we desperately need.
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So he's revealed his foreign policy plan to you?

Or did he have you at "trust me"?
 
Thing1 said:
Again - we're not talking about battle plans or covert ops. We're talking about strategy, and plans where we have to involve allies & that the American people absolutely have a right to know.

He's a child. He doesn't have a "secret plan" to defeat ISIS. Using the "unpredictable" excuse just allows him to get away w/ that.

You make way too many excuses for this buffoon.
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What is Obama's plan?
 
Northwestman said:
What is Obama's plan?
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Obama has actually been fairly effective against ISIS. His strategy has mainly revolved around airstrikes against ISIS leaders, infrastructure and their financial system, and they've reduced ISIS' territory by over 40%. Special ops have worked w/ allies and others in the region to go after ISIS couriers, disrupting communication and connections between ISIS strongholds. He just sent another 250 special ops forces to Syria, to drive ISIS out of key areas there. The Pentagon estimated earlier this year that coalition forces had killed over 20,000 members of ISIS.

He's hardly been perfect against ISIS, but it's just Trumpian rhetoric that we're not doing anything and are "losing." And we know what Obama's strategy is. It's not some magical "secret plan."
 
Thing1 said:
I didn't support Obamacare, and no one should accept Trump's "I have a secret plan...believe me" con man schtick.

Let's not have a race to see who can set the lowest bar for POTUS.
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I don't mind less information. I opposed Obama announcing when we were leaving Afghanistan. Attacks stepped up as the date neared. I often think we give out too much information to the enemies.
 
Thing1 said:
Obama has actually been fairly effective against ISIS. His strategy has mainly revolved around airstrikes against ISIS leaders, infrastructure and their financial system, and they've reduced ISIS' territory by over 40%. Special ops have worked w/ allies and others in the region to go after ISIS couriers, disrupting communication and connections between ISIS strongholds. He just sent another 250 special ops forces to Syria, to drive ISIS out of key areas there. The Pentagon estimated earlier this year that coalition forces had killed over 20,000 members of ISIS.

He's hardly been perfect against ISIS, but it's just Trumpian rhetoric that we're not doing anything and are "losing." And we know what Obama's strategy is. It's not some magical "secret plan."
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Did he announce that before he implemented it?

I think Obama dragged his feet way too long on ISIS and allowed them to grow far larger than they should have.
 
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