TrumpCare 2.0, failed!

She is, but I am not sure the Progressive cause in American is, I am starting to wonder if we gain more by having lost this election.

Had she won there would be no grass root actions, protests etc.......

The dems would have marginalized &/or pushed out all those not willing to adhere to the taut corp party line.........
 
all you need to know, if you really care, is that Obamacare can NOT be payed for.
What part of that do you not understand.

Obama put us an additional 9 trillion in debt, woul dyou like to see that doubled again?

Well Trump and the adults in the room are trying to save Democrats from their own foolishness, they might want to take him up on it.

Oddly enough even shitty countries can pay for it, but not the greatest country of all time??:palm:

Perhaps if they cut the military spending so instead of us spending as much as the rest of the planet combined, we only spend about half what the rest spend, combined-which is still much, much, much more than any other country on earth spends on the military..........

Subsidies for the biggest oil companies in the world will pay for lots of MRI's........ :awesome:
 
Looks like we have a vote tomorrow on 2.0...

If they have the votes in the house...and that is still a big IF...
It will never pass the senate and those republicans who are cold hearted enough to vote for it will carry that label all the way to the mid term election...
A win / win for all Americans.
 
This guy should be a lesson for stupid redneck USA conservatives. This guy is moderate and a pro big oil conservative and he lives with state healthcare and likes it. That is where it is guaranteed stupid redneck ignorant United States conservatives will be in 30 years.

Being a conservative means always having to say you're sorry a generation later.

I am not pro-oil, I am anti-stupidity. Show me a cheap workable form of energy storage and I'd be all for windmills. You people ought to learn lessons from the Energiewende disaster but you won't.

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Lessons Learned from Germany's Great Green Catastrophe

Germany’s Energiewende, its turn towards renewable energy, has been a failure of the highest order. Bjorn Lomborg is simultaneously one of the most insightful environmental thinkers around and a modern green pariah, and he captures the German debacle in all of its ignominy in a recent opinion piece for the FT:

Last month, the government said that 6.9m households live in energy poverty, defined as spending more than 10 per cent of their income on energy. This is largely a result of the surcharge for renewable energy. Between 2000 and 2013, electricity prices for households have increased 80 per cent in real terms, according to data from the OECD and the International Energy Agency.

This means more and more money is going from the poor to the rich. Low-income tenants in the Ruhr area or Berlin are paying high energy prices to subsidise wealthy homeowners in Bavaria who put solar panels on their roofs.

This is a point we’ve hit on before: high electricity prices are a kind of a regressive tax, felt much more keenly by the poor than the rich. But these are only the economic costs of this green surge; the environmental costs are even more damning. To make up for the country’s nuclear drawdown (it should be pointed out that nuclear is essentially a zero-carbon energy source), Germany has had to burn coal in record quantities, resulting in ever-increasing emissions.

Worst of all, the feed-in tariffs that Berlin enacted to increase wind and solar’s market share have only served to prop up technologies incapable of competing on their own merit, rather than developing more effective and efficient solar panels and wind turbines. As Lomborg rightly points out, that paints a grim portrait of Germany’s energy future:

However, most of Germany’s money was spent, not on research into future technology, but on buying existing inefficient green technology. Three weeks ago, in a report to the German parliament, a group of energy experts delivered a damning indictment of the current subsidies. They said that the policy has had a “very low technology-specific innovation impact in Germany”. Essentially, it is much safer for companies to keep selling more of the old technologies of wind, solar and biomass because these are already getting huge subsidies instead of trying to develop new and better technologies that have similar pay-offs but much higher risk.

Do yourself a favor and read the whole thing. The green movement held Germany up as a paragon of responsible environmental stewardship, one that other countries might model their energy policies after. Unfortunately, the Energiewende has been an unmitigated disaster, but its failure doesn’t diminish its instructional capabilities. Policymakers all over the world ought to take a look at Germany’s shambolic green energy strategy for lessons they can apply at home. We can learn just as much from experiments gone wrong as we can from the ones that work.


https://www.the-american-interest.c...earned-from-germanys-great-green-catastrophe/
 
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If they have the votes in the house...and that is still a big IF...
It will never pass the senate and those republicans who are cold hearted enough to vote for it will carry that label all the way to the mid term election...
A win / win for all Americans.
See...that's the problem here. We've come to expect so little from Congress, we are cheering inaction? That's a pretty low bar that we've set. We need something to be done to correct the funding issues that House Republicans created in an attempt to kill ACA.

Insurance companies are owed millions of dollars from the Feds, for promises made in exchange for mandatory minimum coverage, and pre existing condition clauses.


Our premiums will continue to skyrocket until this is worked out. You cannot expect insurers to continue to lose money on healthcare.


No...this isn't a win/win for anyone.
 
Looks like we have a vote tomorrow on 2.0...

3.0, but it wont make it past the Senate in its current form.

It will be at least 4.0 before it passes.


Ultimately I am happy, because it means the quantum shift in health care has been cemented. Finally we have all agreed (Democrats and Republicans at least) that the type of regulation Obamacare ushered in, is better than the old way. We are only now only tinkering around the edges, instead of serious reform.
 
The government is absolutely under no obligation to pay for anyone's healthcare, but should they?

Here is the fact, at this time the government does pay for the healthcare of the un and under insured. In fact they pay much more for it than if the government had simply bought them healthcare in the first place. Americans are not going to allow people to die of preventable medical issues. Its simply something our culture does not allow. But paying for it the way we did before Obamacare is much more expensive than paying for it once more people are able to be insured. Yes insurance is more expensive on the front end, but the fact remains, MANY MANY more Americans are now insured, and when those bills are high, its not the government paying for it, its the shared pool of insured people. Ultimately it is cheaper on the collective.

No they shouldn't because ultimately you are infringing on the rights of others no matter how noble you think you are being

I notice you ignored the bulk of my post. Don't blame you. You can't respond to the brilliance
 
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