TRUMP WINS HYPOTHET HORSERACE AGAINST BIDEN BY FIVE POINTS, AGAINT HARRIS BY NINE

[Into the Night]

Biden is probably the most left-wing president in our nations history.

He isn't president.

 

[Into the Night]

More so than FDR?

FDR is easily the most left wing President in our nation's history.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, FDR was not pushing an agenda,

YES HE WAS.

He stole the gold from citizens and implemented fiat currency.
He created most of the 'alphabet' government agencies that still exist today (and many of which are unconstitutional).
He converted a market downturn into the Great Depression, which lasted well into the 50's.

he was dealing with bigger problems such as the depression and the war.

He CAUSED the depression.

He once said he had no idea what policy would work but was throwing everything against the wall to see what would stick.

Most of which were even more blatantly unconstitutional than what DID stick.

The amount of ridiculous legislation got so bad that the democrats in congress even turned against him and the Supreme Court were tossing so many of his things out that he tried to stack the court with 11 justices.

True.

He was just a mess.

True. Indeed, we are STILL living with that mess.

Because of FDR we passed the 22nd amendment limiting the terms a president can serve.

True.

It's also known that FDR was pushing for our involvement in WW2 to help him fix the economy so far as to suggest that he was warned of the attack on Pearl Harbor but let it happen.

Wars do not fix the economy. Wars destroy economies.

That is why our carriers were moved away before the attack.

FDR didn't move the carriers. They were out on patrol at the time looking for Japanese activity in the area. That order came from Adm. Kimmel.

Apparently there was a British sub tailing the Japanese fleet and had warned the US of what was going on but FDR hushed it up.

FDR didn't hush it up.

FDR was also the one that cut of Japan from supplies forcing them to attack us

FDR placed an embargo on Japanese shipping, due to their aggression against the Philippines.

and FDR knew this would be the result.

You don't get to speak for the dead. You only get to speak for you. You don't know what FDR was thinking. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Conservatives say that about literally every Dem President.

Biden isn't President. He was never elected.

 

[Into the Night]

Probably the most left wing in the last 4 years.
Most left wing in US history? Wasn't Lincoln was so left wing he wanted to stop blacks from learning useful work skills.

Lincoln was a Republican, dummy.

 

[Into the Night]

No, Lincoln's policies were aligned with the right, especially his economic ones.

However, there was no left and right back then like we have today so you can't really classify presidents during that time.

Back then presidents governed according to accomplishments, not political parties like we do today.

In fact we used to determine the VP by whoever was the runner up in the election meaning the guy who lost got the VP vote.

We changed that but some presidents have still selected VP's from the other party, Lincoln being one of them.

He chose a democrat to be his VP.

The nation was fairly polarized at the outbreak of the War of Secession, but nothing like it is now.

 

[Into the Night]

Japan had plenty of spies in Hawaii who would have known the aircraft carriers were not there.

To believe your statement you would have to believe the spies either missed that fact or intentionally covered it up.

Japan wouldn't have attacked on Dec 7th had they known the carriers weren't there, those were their main target.

They wouldn't have known until the carriers actually left, which was a few days before the attack, which had long been in planning and was already in the stages of execution.
Communications rather sucked in those days too. Those spies could not communicate that information easily or they would be caught.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

They wouldn't have known until the carriers actually left, which was a few days before the attack, which had long been in planning and was already in the stages of execution.
Communications rather sucked in those days too. Those spies could not communicate that information easily or they would be caught.

So Japan couldn't have simply turned their ships around and waited?

The spies were full aware of the carriers schedules and we weren't at war with Japan meaning they could have just waited out in the ocean for them to return or they could have also chased them down.

None of that makes sense.

This points to the fact that the US government was aware of the impending attacked and stealthily moved the carriers out of harms way.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Japan had plenty of spies in Hawaii who would have known the aircraft carriers were not there.

To believe your statement you would have to believe the spies either missed that fact or intentionally covered it up.

Japan wouldn't have attacked on Dec 7th had they known the carriers weren't there, those were their main target.

Wrong. The few spies Japan had in Hawaii had to use the Japanese consulate there to make reports. Those reports went to their embassy in Washington DC, not directly to Japan. They had to do that or it would be obvious they were spying, something no country wants made obvious.
That means the best they could do is make notes about what the various fleet units were doing on a regular schedule. At the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, Lexington was headed to Midway to deliver Marine scout bomber squadron 231 to that island. Enterprise had just delivered Marine fighter squadron 221 to Wake and turned around late on the 4th of December to head back to Pearl. On the 7th, Enterprise was about 200 nm west of Oahu. Saratoga was about to enter San Diego harbor to pick up more Marine aircraft at N. Island for delivery to the Pacific theater.

On the other hand, the battleline usually went to sea during weekdays and returned to port for the weekend. Unlike the carriers and their aircraft ferry services, the battleline had only to practice steaming around and the occasional gunnery practice to do.

Thus, the Japanese couldn't have known for sure what the US carriers were doing. Their only sure bet was attacking on a weekend when the battleline was present and hope that one or more carriers would be in port.

 

[Lionfish]

When the lamestream media believes Brandon will lose to a republican, he will have an "accident" and drop out of the race.

 

[Into the Night]

So Japan couldn't have simply turned their ships around and waited?

No.

The spies were full aware of the carriers schedules

No, they weren't.

and we weren't at war with Japan

Relations were hostile but not yet at open war.

meaning they could have just waited out in the ocean for them to return or they could have also chased them down.

No. They had no idea where the carriers were or even if there were in harbor or not.

None of that makes sense.

It makes perfect sense.

This points to the fact that the US government was aware of the impending attacked and stealthily moved the carriers out of harms way.

No. The carriers were on patrol. You seem to forget the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor anyway (sinking and severely damaging battleships, and damaging the airfield). A fleet of new bombers was also being shipped in from the mainland at the time. They arrived in the middle of the attack unarmed and out of gas and a damaged runway to land on. Not many of them made it. A few managed to make it to alternate airfields. You are also failing to consider the geography of Pearl harbor itself and why it is a dangerous harbor.

 

[Lightbringer]

No.

No, they weren't.

Relations were hostile but not yet at open war.

No. They had no idea where the carriers were.

It makes perfect sense.

No. The carriers were on patrol.

Are you figuring out that no one cares about you?

 

[Into the Night]

Are you figuring out that no one cares about you?

Paradox. Irrational.

 

[Nordberg]

So Japan couldn't have simply turned their ships around and waited?

The spies were full aware of the carriers schedules and we weren't at war with Japan meaning they could have just waited out in the ocean for them to return or they could have also chased them down.

None of that makes sense.

This points to the fact that the US government was aware of the impending attacked and stealthily moved the carriers out of harms way.

Not very good for a sneak attack is it?

 

[Margot]

Biden is probably the most left-wing president in our nations history.

Cool!

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not very good for a sneak attack is it?

Nope.

Well it was to the civilians but Roosevelt had been pushing for the war since it began, his economic policies were failing horrible and he needed it for his presidency.

Remember, it's all about the economy.