Trump took presidential documents to FL
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Matt Dillon
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From your WaPo link, goober:
All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Also the real story without all the supposition and innuendo:
"“Throughout the course of the last year, NARA obtained the cooperation of Trump representatives to locate presidential records that had not been transferred to the National Archives at the end of the Trump administration. When a representative informed NARA in December 2021 that they had located some records, NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington. NARA officials did not visit or ‘raid’ the Mar-a-Lago property,” the National Archives told the Palm Beach Daily News on Tuesday."
https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/...-natinal-archives-from-mar-a-lago/6705884001/
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evince
Truthmatters
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
His claim is false
Republicans lie
Allegations are just that.
Sure. Just as your allegations that Hillary stole furniture are just allegations.
Actually, your claim that Hillary stole furniture is not an allegation. It is a false statement since anyone that can read and do research would find out in no time that she never stole anything.
She took items that she thought were hers but weren't. Trump took items that he thought were his but weren't. They both returned the items taken.
Do you apply the same standard to Trump that you do Hillary? Did Trump steal the documents?
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
That's why she had to return 2 truckloads of furniture, right, bitch?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856&page=1
And then there was the destroying of her server hard drives and devices.
evince
Truthmatters
Trump ripped up, ate, burned and even tried to flush documents he was by law supposed to give to the archives
He clearly knew it was ALL illegal
He claimed Nancy Pelosi broke the law for tearing up a COPY of his state of the Union speech on camera
So he KNEW what he was doing was illegal
He clearly knew it was ALL illegal
He claimed Nancy Pelosi broke the law for tearing up a COPY of his state of the Union speech on camera
So he KNEW what he was doing was illegal
BartenderElite
Verified User
There is always an answer, always an explanation.
It's a cult. The leader can do no wrong.
evince
Truthmatters
Read the link fuck fart
evince
Truthmatters
I laugh at how all those who screamed about Hillary’s emails never found fault with the Trump administration who not only used private emails, but may have taken classified documents. Isn’t it ironic.
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
That's a public explanation in an unbiased newspaper.
https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/...-natinal-archives-from-mar-a-lago/6705884001/
BartenderElite
Verified User
It's a true cult. They see the world in an entirely different way.
They've been brainwashed, and that's not an exaggeration.
BartenderElite
Verified User
That's a public explanation in an unbiased newspaper.
https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/...-natinal-archives-from-mar-a-lago/6705884001/
In no way does it say that what he did is not egregious.
How many excuses can you make for him?
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
This part?
"After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china,flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for$86,000 worth of gifts, or nearly half the amount."
What mountain am I making? I never claimed Trump stole anything. I never claimed no one else did what Trump did.I never claimed NARA officials raided Mar-a-Lago. I am pointing out that it is your side that is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to Hillary but you want to keep it a molehill when it comes to Trump.
Stringfellow Hawk
Member
You were hiding in his toilet? Did you visit URANUS while in there?
OK. So you don't apply the same standard to Trump that you do to Hillary. You are a partisan weasel.
No way 2 trucks were required to return a chair, 2 sofas, an ottoman, a kitchen table and 4 chairs, a lamp and a rug
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/the-clinton-furniture-flap/
By the way according to the law at the time, the Clinton's didn't have to pay for any item that was given to them but they did.
The only question was whether the gifts were meant for the Clintons personally or for the White House.
It is also interesting that some of the items that were returned, the donors said the items were intended for the Clintons.
If you want to attack the Clintons for taking gifts given to them then you should apply the same standard to Trump. Will you do that? I doubt it.
I find it funny that you claim to be knowledgeable of computers and security but you attack Clinton for destroying her devices as required under normal DoD security standards.
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
Deli man gave them some lamps, yeah. That's OK..
Now as for the bolded, those devices were under subpoena by Congress and the destruction of them could be taken as destruction of evidence.
Motherfucker, yeah I know what DoD security wiping is, and it is NOT destroying hard drives and phones with a hammer.
Not in any way, shape, or form. Nobody required her to do those things, she wanted to hide things.
Those things were supposed to be backed up to the government cloud before being wiped, even.
Deli man gave them some lamps, yeah. That's OK..
Now as for the bolded, those devices were under subpoena by Congress and the destruction of them could be taken as destruction of evidence.
Motherfucker, yeah I know what DoD security wiping is, and it is NOT destroying hard drives and phones with a hammer.
Not in any way, shape, or form. Nobody required her to do those things, she wanted to hide things.
Those things were supposed to be backed up to the government cloud before being wiped, even.
Let's examine your statements.
Please provide a link showing the devices were subpoenaed. I can find no evidence that the devices themselves were ever actually subpoenaed before they were destroyed or wiped.
Congress subpoenaed her emails. Clinton had turned over all the emails she found to be work related in December 3 months prior. Lawyers at the State Department did a digital search and turned over what that search found. As with all digital searches, it missed some items. Subpoenas require a reasonable attempt to comply. It is not a crime unless you can prove the purposely refused to turn over some items.
Timeline -
June 2013 - server was moved from her home to a data center. Her home server was decommissioned, the drive was not wiped since the FBI was able to do a search on it in 2015 and find email fragments.
Dec 5, 2014 - Clinton turns over 55,000 work emails to State Department. Shortly after that she shuts down server and it was supposed to be wiped.
March 4, 2015 - Congress subpoenas emails from State Dept.
March 27, 2015 - Trey Gowdy states Clinton had her server wiped.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/
So it appears all your claims are bullshit.
1. Her emails were turned over to the State Dept as required.
2. Her server was never physically subpoenaed.
3. She was not involved in destroying any device after a subpoena. Her aide asked for it do be done 3 months prior to the subpoena. The data tech failed to do it at that time and did it later but her device was not actually subpoenaed.
Maybe you should spend some time to learn the actual facts instead of relying on your faulty memory of what RW stooges claimed happened.