Trump to pull out of climate deal

Maybe some of you ought to read what is being signed up to before spouting bullshit?


President Trump has signaled pretty heavily that he wants to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement, and is widely expected to make it official Thursday afternoon.

Cue the impassioned indignation!

The leaders of all other G7 nations have urged Trump to remain in the accord, which seeks to limit greenhouse gas emissions and has been signed by every nation on Earth except Nicaragua and Syria. Secretary of State (and former oilman) Rex Tillerson also wants the U.S. to stay committed to the agreement. Large corporations have opposed the move, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk even threatened to resign from Trump's CEO advisory council if Trump goes through with it. And of course, no debate about the environment would be complete without Hollywood's expert opinions. Mark Ruffalo tweeted that Trump would "have the death of whole nations on his hands" (whole nations! Not just parts of nations, whole nations!); Don Cheadle implored the president to change his mind because of the children (won't someone think of the children?!). Meanwhile Trump has reminded everyone that withdrawing from the Paris Agreement was a campaign promise of his, and has said that it hurts jobs in the Rust Belt, which is a core issue for his core constituency.

But really, all this outrage and controversy is absolute nonsense.
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Ever since it was signed in 2015, the Paris Agreement has been a totem to which everyone genuflects. The problem, though, is that beyond allowing people an opportunity to do some serious virtue signaling, the Paris Agreement actually doesn't do much of anything.

This is not rhetorical exaggeration. As the Manhattan Institute's Oren Cass has pointed out, each nation's emissions reduction commitment is based on what is known as "Intended Nationally Determined Contribution" (INDC). In English? That means each nation under the agreement gets to decide how much it wants to reduce its emissions.

This might do some marginal good if you could at least compare emissions and maybe have transparency that would allow NGOs and others to name, shame, and nudge countries that do not reduce their emissions significantly, but developing countries vetoed a move that would have forced participants to set their targets under commonly shared metrics. A number of developing countries, chief among them China and India, have successfully lobbied so that "any obligatory review mechanism for increasing individual efforts of developing countries" was rejected from the Paris framework.

In other words, any country can state whatever metrics it wants. A country can submit a paper napkin that says "covfefe" as its emissions target, and then some years later, declare it has reached its emissions target. And that's pretty much what has happened. China's "target" for emissions "reductions" is actually less ambitious than the business-as-usual level, according to an analysis by Bloomberg; in other words, if China does nothing at all to reduce emissions, it will comfortably meet its target. But China at least forecasts some emissions reduction. India's target shows emissions never peaking or reducing. And yet it is still asking for $2.5 trillion in international aid to meet its "goal."

This might be why some estimates suggest that the "reductions" the Paris deal will "accomplish" show no improvement at all over the emissions baseline projected by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2000.

Whether you believe climate change is the most serious and pressing issue facing the world, or you believe it's a big hoax, it doesn't change the fact that the Paris deal is and always has been a bust. When Mark Ruffalo (or Angela Merkel, for that matter) warns of the dire consequences of leaving the Paris accord, they are blowing smoke. But that also applies to Trump when he claims that leaving the Paris accord will save jobs in the Rust Belt.

So, what will the consequences of leaving the Paris deal actually be? You can argue that by leaving, Trump would signal even more his intent to pull the U.S. out of multilateral frameworks, and that this would further damage relationships with allies. But you could also argue that the United States government lending its credibility to what is really an elaborate charade also damages its standing. It's all about how the accord is perceived, not what it actually does, which is zippo.

http://theweek.com/articles/702685/stop-freaking-about-paris-agreement

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uhhh wilson was not an isolationist he tried to form the fucking league of nations for fucks sake

and trump bargaining to get a better deal sounds like putting america first which is what our president should always do.

You are right, I had that exactly backwards.
 
But China at least forecasts some emissions reduction. India's target shows emissions never peaking or reducing. And yet it is still asking for $2.5 trillion in international aid to meet its "goal."

This might be why some estimates suggest that the "reductions" the Paris deal will "accomplish" show no improvement at all over the emissions baseline projected by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2000.

Whether you believe climate change is the most serious and pressing issue facing the world, or you believe it's a big hoax, it doesn't change the fact that the Paris deal is and always has been a bust.
it's all about wealth transfer to China and India
 
Why can't they do it without us?

Why couldn't the allies win WW2 without us? We are the big kid on the block, well, until Trump came along. To your point, they might be able to, but my evolving argument has focussed on the need of the USA to remain a leader because its good to be the king.
That was a hard fought slog becoming the king, and you people one to punt it all, item by item until Russia, China and the rest take over. A regime that will probably entail a strengthened N Korea, great instability, & possible wars. The USA has been as benign a hegemon as ever existed.
It brought and has maintained a world order, and has done so thus far profiting itself despite some charity abroad. I like that. You don't. Our prestige has already taken a big hit on this. We won't be leading climate change in the world. We led the space race. Ripple economies proftted us and enhanced our prestige. Thanks for your cowardly recession. Thanks for underscoring the decline of the city on the hill.
 
Why couldn't the allies win WW2 without us? We are the big kid on the block, well, until Trump came along. To your point, they might be able to, but my evolving argument has focussed on the need of the USA to remain a leader because its good to be the king.
That was a hard fought slog becoming the king, and you people one to punt it all, item by item until Russia, China and the rest take over. A regime that will probably entail a strengthened N Korea, great instability, & possible wars. The USA has been as benign a hegemon as ever existed.
It brought and has maintained a world order, and has done so thus far profiting itself despite some charity abroad. I like that. You don't. Our prestige has already taken a big hit on this. We won't be leading climate change in the world. We led the space race. Ripple economies proftted us and enhanced our prestige. Thanks for your cowardly recession. Thanks for underscoring the decline of the city on the hill.

Well the pax-Americana is over, trump, on his own has passed the leadership to Asia, & mostly China... Pax-Cathay & the new world order... thnx trump for making China great again
 
Oh, somewhere in this big ol' world the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children
shout,
But there is no joy in Alarmville—mighty Paris has struck out.
 
Oh, somewhere in this big ol' world the sun is shining bright, on the trumpf band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light; & the light is always shinning somewhere on the brand.
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children
shout,
But there is no joy in Alarmville, Bangladesh or Fla—mighty Paris has struck out.

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Paris climate promises will reduce temperatures by just 0.05°C in 2100


A new peer-reviewed paper by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg published in the Global Policy journal measures the actual impact of all significant climate promises made ahead of the Paris climate summit.

Governments have publicly outlined their post-2020 climate commitments in the build-up to the December’s meeting. These promises are known as “Intended Nationally Determined Contributions” (INDCs).

Dr. Lomborg’s research reveals:

The climate impact of all Paris INDC promises is minuscule: if we measure the impact of every nation fulfilling every promise by 2030, the total temperature reduction will be 0.048°C (0.086°F) by 2100.
Even if we assume that these promises would be extended for another 70 years, there is still little impact: if every nation fulfills every promise by 2030, and continues to fulfill these promises faithfully until the end of the century, and there is no ‘CO₂ leakage’ to non-committed nations, the entirety of the Paris promises will reduce temperature rises by just 0.17°C (0.306°F) by 2100.
US climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.031°C (0.057°F) by 2100.
EU climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.053°C (0.096°F) by 2100.
China climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.048°C (0.086°F) by 2100.
The rest of the world’s climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.036°C (0.064°F) by 2100.

http://www.lomborg.com/press-release-research-reveals-negligible-impact-of-paris-climate-promises


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"Trash Truck Driver Dumps Burning Trash Heap in Tierrasanta Church Parking Lot"

Looks like Trump's climate initiative is being implemented.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Recylcing-Fire-Reported-in-Parking-Lot-of-Tierrasanta-Church-425577804.html?_osource=AMP
 
Paris climate promises will reduce temperatures by just 0.05°C in 2100


A new peer-reviewed paper by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg published in the Global Policy journal measures the actual impact of all significant climate promises made ahead of the Paris climate summit.

Governments have publicly outlined their post-2020 climate commitments in the build-up to the December’s meeting. These promises are known as “Intended Nationally Determined Contributions” (INDCs).

Dr. Lomborg’s research reveals:

The climate impact of all Paris INDC promises is minuscule: if we measure the impact of every nation fulfilling every promise by 2030, the total temperature reduction will be 0.048°C (0.086°F) by 2100.
Even if we assume that these promises would be extended for another 70 years, there is still little impact: if every nation fulfills every promise by 2030, and continues to fulfill these promises faithfully until the end of the century, and there is no ‘CO₂ leakage’ to non-committed nations, the entirety of the Paris promises will reduce temperature rises by just 0.17°C (0.306°F) by 2100.
US climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.031°C (0.057°F) by 2100.
EU climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.053°C (0.096°F) by 2100.
China climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.048°C (0.086°F) by 2100.
The rest of the world’s climate policies, in the most optimistic circumstances, fully achieved and adhered to throughout the century, will reduce global temperatures by 0.036°C (0.064°F) by 2100.

http://www.lomborg.com/press-release-research-reveals-negligible-impact-of-paris-climate-promises


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The key word there, DC, is REDUCE.
 
The key word there, DC, is REDUCE.
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You're an unemployed paralegal and he's a sailor?

He wins.

Nope, I am what I am, and he thinks it's boasting to be a lawyer because he respects it. Otherwise it would not be intolerable for an e-enemy to be one. Every time he says I'm not one, he is paying me a compliment.
Here is a newsflash, his posting doesn't change my reality. It's hilarious to me. It doesn't matter what he says. What matters is known truth. Two facts are true in actual reality, my subjective metaphysical certitude that I am exactly what
he cannot tolerate me to be. He thinks I care what he thinks? Cool. I don't. I'm a trashman. Works for me. Please keep saying I'm not a lawyer.

Check and mate. Thanks for playing.

He is a sailor. That is true. Nothing wrong with that. Notice I don't say " you aren't a sailor" Think about that, chuckles.
 
Nope, I am what I am, and he thinks it's boasting to be a lawyer because he respects it. Otherwise it would not be intolerable for an e-enemy to be one. Every time he says I'm not one, he is paying me a compliment.
Here is a newsflash, his posting doesn't change my reality. It's hilarious to me. It doesn't matter what he says. What matters is known truth. Two facts are true in actual reality, my subjective metaphysical certitude that I am exactly what
he cannot tolerate me to be. He thinks I care what he thinks? Cool. I don't. I'm a trashman. Works for me. Please keep saying I'm not a lawyer.

Check and mate. Thanks for playing.

He is a sailor. That is true. Nothing wrong with that. Notice I don't say " you aren't a sailor" Think about that, chuckles.

You are a crack addict. Or just genuinely losing your mind. Either way in some form of delusional reality and a fruit loop.
 
Weird then you following a crack addict around the internet like a yappie little chiwawa.

Do not flatter yourself paralegal. No one follows you around. They just kind of kick you into a corner when you come sniffling around looking for handouts.
 
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