Trump Sides With Payday Lenders Preying On Poor In Red States

Usury laws have been erased and the banks and money changers have found a way to charge astronomical rates to the poor and needy. This is financial exploitation and is wrong. Payday lenders should be ashamed and abolished. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=f1420&cycle=All&recipdetail=H&mem=Y Money doesn't talk it swears....dylan

And the thief in The White House is enabling them while actual patriotic smart folks like Liz Warren did and can cut off their balls...


June 20, 2016
Elizabeth Warren’s Fight Against Payday Lenders Comes to the Post Office
We could save Americans millions with postal banking


Elizabeth Warren’s Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) is in full effect, and has already netted Americans about $10 billion in remedies from banks since it started its watch.

https://www.thenation.com/article/e...inst-payday-lenders-comes-to-the-post-office/

Trump deregulated the predators because he is a fellow predator and thief. But these predators fear Elizabeth Warren and with good reason.
 
And the thief in The White House is enabling them while actual patriotic smart folks like Liz Warren did and can cut off their balls...



Trump deregulated the predators because he is a fellow predator and thief. But these predators fear Elizabeth Warren and with good reason.

Trump destroyed the CFPB from the inside.
 
And the thief in The White House is enabling them while actual patriotic smart folks like Liz Warren did and can cut off their balls...



Trump deregulated the predators because he is a fellow predator and thief. But these predators fear Elizabeth Warren and with good reason.

That is completely untrue. Made up. Just a lie. You can scroll back and find the link to the CFPB site.
 
Hello tsuke,



Right. And interest rates reflect the risk to the loaner. Banks which would normally charge 6-12% interest on secured loans will not loan to people with poor credit. But there are some who would not qualify for bank loans who could pay back a reasonably rated temporary loan which would prevent them from losing a car or home, so there is a market. An equitable rate should be established for this kind of service. Something between the top bank rate and the 780% charged by the vultures. The only reason the vulture loaners get that rate is because they have no competition, they are greedy, and they have no concern for the well-being of their prey. The USPS could run a system at very little to zero profit, which would use the proceeds to ensure that the system is viable and provides a needed service. Since this would wipe out the vulture loaners who spend on lobbyists and visiting Trump properties, it is opposed by the Trump administration and the right who support Trump.

The purpose of government should be to promote the general welfare (as outlined in the Preamble.) Trump's CFPB is promoting the selective welfare, that of specifically those who spend at Trump properties. Obviously, this is not good for America. It is only good for the rich in America.

If Trump were to wake up one day and decide he is going to be a moral person who does the right thing, he would immediately resign and check himself into a psychiatric institution. He is not a good member of society. He thinks in order to be successful, one has to rip others and their government off. That's wrong. Every day Trump works, he hurts the USA. The sooner we are rid of him, the better the United States will be.

again 40-50% of people who take payday loans default and your proposing that the USPS lend these people low interest loans that the bank wouldnt. Your saying there is a market forpeople who dont qualify for bank loans but can pay back payday loans I am now assuming that out of the 100% you will not have the postal service lend to the 40-50% defaulters but only lend to the rest? what will happen to that 40-50% then? Do you propose the postal service have a collections agency for the remainder as well as you will never get a 100% payment rate?

Payday lenders suck but they exist for the same reason loansharks did. There are just some people you dont want to lend money to.
 
again 40-50% of people who take payday loans default and your proposing that the USPS lend these people low interest loans that the bank wouldnt. Your saying there is a market forpeople who dont qualify for bank loans but can pay back payday loans I am now assuming that out of the 100% you will not have the postal service lend to the 40-50% defaulters but only lend to the rest? what will happen to that 40-50% then? Do you propose the postal service have a collections agency for the remainder as well as you will never get a 100% payment rate?

Payday lenders suck but they exist for the same reason loansharks did. There are just some people you dont want to lend money to.

Not every person who resorts to payday lenders is a bad risk as may folks are just living paycheck to paycheck and have no choice. You are painting with a broad brush. Why is that so many Americans are one illness away from bankruptcy? Our systems are broken and corrupt and it's not a right winger who will fix it....that's for sh*t sure.

Elizabeth Warren backs plan to save USPS, replace payday lenders

The Office of the Inspector General released a report last week, finding that 68 million Americans – that’s more than a quarter of all households – have no savings or checking accounts. Those Americans handed over nearly $90 billion in interest and fees to (oftentimes predatory) non-banking financial services, like check cashing and payday loans services

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/elizabeth-warrens-plan-save-the-usps#50084
 
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Hello tsuke,

again 40-50% of people who take payday loans default and your proposing that the USPS lend these people low interest loans that the bank wouldnt. Your saying there is a market forpeople who dont qualify for bank loans but can pay back payday loans I am now assuming that out of the 100% you will not have the postal service lend to the 40-50% defaulters but only lend to the rest? what will happen to that 40-50% then? Do you propose the postal service have a collections agency for the remainder as well as you will never get a 100% payment rate?

Payday lenders suck but they exist for the same reason loansharks did. There are just some people you dont want to lend money to.

I am curious where you got this figure, and specifically, if the 40-50% of defaulters refers to the ones who don't pay it back within the original two weeks, but then subsequently still keep paying, and end up paying FAR MORE than the original loan, resulting in OBSCENE PROFITS by the rich owners of these businesses.

I presume the ones who do not default are not the biggest profit-generators for these vulture capitalists.

This is just like the Buy Here Pay Here joints, right? They WANT the borrower to default on the original time period so they can get them on the hook and bleed them dry.

People who don't pay anything at all back? Ever? What is the percentage of customers that these payday loan joints actually lose money on? I strongly doubt it is 40-50%.

What a great business plan - for bottom feeders. They get the hook in by getting the borrower to write a post-dated check. The business gets their money back as soon as they cash the check. If the check is no good that means big trouble for the borrower. First of all, they have to contend with NSF fees at their bank, even if they come up with the money late. And then, if the check is still not paid, it gets referred to law enforcement. So the business has overwhelming armed force to apply pressure to the victim, and the business doesn't even have to pay for the force! They have taxpayers to pay for that. What a beautiful business model, from a greedy heartless point of view, of course.
 
Not every person who resorts to payday lenders is a bad risk as may folks are just living paycheck to paycheck and have no choice. You are painting with a broad brush. Why is that so many Americans are one illness away from bankruptcy? Our systems are broken and corrupt and it's not a right winger who will fix it....that's for sh*t sure.

if they were a good risk banks would find a way to lend to them. Banks actually find very creative ways to lend money as long as they know it will be paid.

The "fix" you guys are proposing seems to be the fastest way to bankrupt the USPS.
 
Hello tsuke,



I am curious where you got this figure, and specifically, if the 40-50% of defaulters refers to the ones who don't pay it back within the original two weeks, but then subsequently still keep paying, and end up paying FAR MORE than the original loan, resulting in OBSCENE PROFITS by the rich owners of these businesses.

I presume the ones who do not default are not the biggest profit-generators for these vulture capitalists.

This is just like the Buy Here Pay Here joints, right? They WANT the borrower to default on the original time period so they can get them on the hook and bleed them dry.

People who don't pay anything at all back? Ever? What is the percentage of customers that these payday loan joints actually lose money on? I strongly doubt it is 40-50%.

What a great business plan - for bottom feeders. They get the hook in by getting the borrower to write a post-dated check. The business gets their money back as soon as they cash the check. If the check is no good that means big trouble for the borrower. First of all, they have to contend with NSF fees at their bank, even if they come up with the money late. And then, if the check is still not paid, it gets referred to law enforcement. So the business has overwhelming armed force to apply pressure to the victim, and the business doesn't even have to pay for the force! They have taxpayers to pay for that. What a beautiful business model, from a greedy heartless point of view, of course.

well if you just consider the initial 2 weeks then payday loans have much the same default rate as credit cards. Its really the overall default rate. Also only about 1% of payday loaners borrow once , pay in full in weeks and dont borrow again for a year. Mostly because if you could do that the banks would probably be lending you money. So the mythical customer base for your USPS lender doesnt really exist.
 
Hello tsuke,

well if you just consider the initial 2 weeks then payday loans have much the same default rate as credit cards. Its really the overall default rate. Also only about 1% of payday loaners borrow once , pay in full in weeks and dont borrow again for a year. Mostly because if you could do that the banks would probably be lending you money. So the mythical customer base for your USPS lender doesnt really exist.

So, you're not going to provide the source for your claim of 40-50% defaults, nor answer the question of whether or not those defaults end up being profit-generators for the payday loan joints. Got it.

Look. You already made the challenge of this 40-50% default rate, but didn't clarify what exactly that means.

Then, when called to task on that, you have pivoted to something else.

Nice try.

I've got the hook set in your argument, and you are not going to simply shake it loose just like that.

These are predatory businesses.

It doesn't have to be that way.

The USPS could be given a mandate to provide this service to the community, the rates and repercussions could be much fairer to the consumer, and they would not be losing money doing so.
 
Hello tsuke,



So, you're not going to provide the source for your claim of 40-50% defaults, nor answer the question of whether or not those defaults end up being profit-generators for the payday loan joints. Got it.

Look. You already made the challenge of this 40-50% default rate, but didn't clarify what exactly that means.

Then, when called to task on that, you have pivoted to something else.

Nice try.

I've got the hook set in your argument, and you are not going to simply shake it loose just like that.

These are predatory businesses.

It doesn't have to be that way.

The USPS could be given a mandate to provide this service to the community, the rates and repercussions could be much fairer to the consumer, and they would not be losing money doing so.

https://moneydotcomvip.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/finalpaydaymayday_defaults.pdf
 
How are the lenders "preying" on anyone? The average rate is 10%. Wow.

Well, the lamestream media has to say SOMETHING bad about Trump. I believe our president could cure cancer, and the left-wing nuts would say, "Why not sooner?" He will NEVER get credit for ANYTHING he does because he was not SUPPOSED to be president. And the loony loser libs (The LLL, if you will.) have whined, cried and thrown hissy fits EVERY day since the election.
 
Well, the lamestream media has to say SOMETHING bad about Trump. I believe our president could cure cancer, and the left-wing nuts would say, "Why not sooner?" He will NEVER get credit for ANYTHING he does because he was not SUPPOSED to be president. And the loony loser libs (The LLL, if you will.) have whined, cried and thrown hissy fits EVERY day since the election.

Trump cure cancer? He was not even able to keep his grubby little hands off of the funds that belonged to kids with cancer!

How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...charity-money-into-his-business/#1e6d498a6b4a

But hey...he's your standard bearer.
 
Well, the lamestream media has to say SOMETHING bad about Trump. I believe our president could cure cancer, and the left-wing nuts would say, "Why not sooner?" He will NEVER get credit for ANYTHING he does because he was not SUPPOSED to be president. And the loony loser libs (The LLL, if you will.) have whined, cried and thrown hissy fits EVERY day since the election.

this entire thing is going to turn out like Dodd Frank. The left will think they are doing something good but in reality this will make the problem worse.
 
Hello tsuke,


Thanks for the link.

And it makes my point well:

(from your link) ""This paper seeks to examine another key indicator of unaffordability: payday loan defaults (sometimes called “return events”), which we define as occurring when a borrower’s check or electronic transaction is returned for insufficient funds. "

Summary of Findings


This paper’s findings, listed below, highlight that the lack of underwriting for payday loans creates economic distress for borrowers from the very first loan:

1. Nearly half of all payday borrowers defaulted within two years of their first loan. (Defined above as having the check they wrote to cover the loan bounce.)

2. Of borrowers who defaulted, nearly half did so within the first two payday loans.

3. Default does not necessarily signal the end of payday borrowing, with many defaulters going on to repay their loan and even borrow (and possibly default) again at a later date. (emphasis mine)

4. Nearly one in five borrowers had a loan charged off by the lender.

5. One-third of payday borrowers experienced at least one invisible default in which their account was overdrawn on the same day that they made a payment to a payday lender.

6. For payday borrowers, overdrafts and bounced transactions frequently occurred close in time to the use of payday loans. nearly half of payday borrowers incurred an overdraft or NSF fee in the two weeks after a payday loan transaction, and 64% paid overdraft or NSF fees at some point.

Figure 3 shows that of all borrowers, nearly one in five (19%) had a loan a charged off. Charge-offs indicate that the borrower has been in default long enough that he or she is unlikely to ever pay it back; borrowers with loans charged off can still face aggressive third-party debt collection tactics.

Finding 3: Default does not necessarily signal the end of payday borrowing, with many default-ers going on to repay their loan and even borrow (and possibly default) again at a later date. Sixty-six percent of borrowers who defaulted ultimately paid the debt back in full. The remaining one-third of defaulters may have paid it back in part, but the Veritec database does not track partial payments.

This paper finds significant levels of both visible and invisible defaults. on the visible side, we find that a large proportion of borrowers—nearly two in five—defaulted within one year of taking out their first payday loan, and almost half did so within two years. Most defaulters did so early in their borrowing, with nearly half defaulting on the first or second loan. For most borrowers, default did not signal the end of the cycle of debt: two-thirds ultimately paid their debt back in full, and nearly two in five went on to re-borrow at a later date. of defaulters, nearly two in five had a loan charged off.

(invisible defaults are the ones where the check does not bounce because the borrower had overdraft protection at their bank - and they paid additional fees for that feature)

Our findings thus provide evidence that payday loans cause financial harm. As a result, we make the following policy recommendations:

• Congress should enact a 36% APR limit applicable to all borrowers, similar to what it enacted for active-duty military and their families in the Military Lending Act.

• CFPB should promulgate regulations that: require payday lenders to determine the borrower’s ability to repay the loan without re-borrowing, including consideration of income and expenses;o do not provide a safe harbor for loans that are poorly, or not at all, underwritten; do not sanction any series of repeat loans or rollovers; and establish an outer limit on length of indebtedness that is no longer than FDIC’s 2005 guidelines—90 days in a 12-month period.

• Federal regulators—including the department of Justice, FTC, prudential regulators, and CFPB—should use their enforcement authority against payday lenders to address violations of law.

• States should continue to put in place 36% APR limits applicable to payday loans."

• States should vigorously enforce their laws against unlicensed lenders and should work in partnership with federal regulators to address attempts at subterfuge.

• In addition to implementing substantive protections, CFPB and states should continue to collect and make public detailed data on payday loan use."

Most of the 40-50% of defaults are eventually repaid and end up being return customers and even default repeatedly, resulting in more profits for the lenders. Defaults may represent the largest part of the profits for lenders.

Predatory lending is not helping the victims. Some loans should not be made. But for the ones that could be made, the interest rate should not be excessive. Reasonable rates of up to 36% will result in profits for lenders, but the cash-grab which destroys lives is reprehensible and should not be allowed. The modest profits available by making these loans would be an excellent function of the USPS.
 
Anyone who has to use payday loans is totally irresponsible..

Make bad choices and suffer bad consequences.

That never changes,
 
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