trump seeks to reopen cases of hundreds reprieved from deportation

Yeah sure, tell yourself that. Both men have been here decades, pay taxes, contribute to society, have a family and have never been charged with a crime.

Why the fuck go after them after so many decades when the real problem lies elsewhere?

You have no compassion and no understanding of laws.

I don't have compassion for those that committed a crime by coming here but I do understand what the word ILLEGAL means.

Both committed a crime by their very first act coming here. Would you let a bank robber keep the money if that was the only crime he committed decades ago?
 
Look at the individual cases. That is the executive branch's right.

It is that simple. My two examples are why it should not be a blanket issue. And I think you know that.


The ONLY thing that should be looked at is that they are ILLEGAL. It is that simple.
 

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Protesters rally in support of undocumented immigrants in California. The Trump administration has asked courts to reopen more than 1,000 cases of people given a reprieve under Obama. Photograph: David Maung/EPA

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The Trump administration has moved to reopen the cases of hundreds of undocumented people who were reprieved from deportation under Barack Obama, according to government data, court documents and interviews with immigration lawyers.

Donald Trump signaled in January that he planned to dramatically widen the net of undocumented immigrants targeted for deportation, but his administration has not publicized efforts to reopen immigration cases. News of the administration’s effort represents one of the first concrete examples of the crackdown and is likely to stir fears among tens of thousands of undocumented people who thought they were safe from deportation.

Cases were reopened during the Obama administration, but generally only if a person had committed a serious crime, attorneys said. The Trump administration has sharply increased the number of cases it is asking the courts to reopen, and its targets appear to include at least some people who have not committed any crimes since their cases were closed.

Between 1 March and 31 May, prosecutors moved to reopen 1,329 cases, according to an analysis of data from the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR). The Obama administration filed 430 similar motions in the same period in 2016.

Jennifer Elzea, a spokeswoman for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice), confirmed the agency was now filing motions to reopen cases where illegal immigrants had “since been arrested for or convicted of a crime”.

It is not possible to tell from the EOIR data how many of the cases the Trump administration is seeking to reopen involve immigrants who committed crimes after their cases were closed. Attorneys said some of the cases were being reopened because immigrants had been arrested for serious crimes, but said they were also seeing cases involving people who had not committed crimes or who were cited for minor violations such as traffic tickets.

“This is a sea change,” said the attorney David Leopold, former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “Before, if someone did something after the case was closed out that showed that person was a threat, then it would be reopened. Now they are opening cases just because they want to deport people.”


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Elzea said the agency reviewed cases “to see if the basis for prosecutorial discretion is still appropriate”.

In 2011, Obama initiated a policy change, pulling back from deporting migrants who had formed deep ties in the US and whom the government considered no threat to public safety. Instead, the administration would prioritize undocumented migrants who had committed serious crimes.

Between January 2012 and Trump’s inauguration on 20 January 2017, the government shelved about 81,000 cases, according to Reuters analysis. These so-called “administrative closures” did not extend full legal status to those whose cases were closed, but they did remove the threat of deportation.

Trump signed an executive order overturning the Obama-era policy on 25 January. While criminals remain the highest priority for deportation, anyone in the country illegally is now a potential target. In cases reviewed by Reuters, the administration explicitly cited Trump’s executive order in 30 motions as a reason to put the immigrant back on the court docket.

Since immigration cases are not generally public, Reuters was able to review only cases made available by attorneys. Motions to reopen closed cases have been filed in 32 states, with the highest numbers in California, Florida and Virginia, according to the review of EOIR data. The bulk of the examples reviewed were two dozen motions sent over the span of a couple of days by the New Orleans Ice office.

Sally Joyner, an immigration attorney in Memphis, Tennessee, said one of her Central American clients, who crossed the border with her children in 2013, was allowed to stay in the US after the government filed a motion to close her case in December 2015. Since crossing the border, the woman has not been arrested or had trouble with law enforcement, said Joyner, who asked that her client’s name not be used because of the pending legal action.

Nevertheless, on 29 March, Ice filed a two-page motion to reopen the case against the woman and her children. When Joyner queried Ice, an official said the agency had been notified that her client had a criminal history in El Salvador, according to documents seen by Reuters.

The woman had been arrested for selling pumpkin seeds as an unauthorized street vendor. Government documents show US authorities knew about the arrest before her case was closed.

Dana Marks, president of the National Association of Immigration Judges, said revisiting previously closed matters would add to a record backlog of 580,000 pending immigration cases.

“If we have to go back and review all of those decisions that were already made, it clearly generates more work,” she said. “It’s a judicial do-over.”

Undocumented seems pretty clear to me. Why do you not want Trump to follow existing law? He is doing what he was sworn to do.
 
He has already forced a British guy to leave within a month here.

Guy has been here for like 3 decades.

And a coffee farmer, been here like 4 decades.

Stupidist shit ever.

why is it stupid?......both violated one set of laws for 30 years and at least one other set of laws to bring them to the attention of the law........you do realize that 95% of people go through their entire lives and never commit one felony let alone two.....
 
Screw Trump. Going after people like these, who are prosperous members of society is so stupid I can't even explain how stupid it is.

Get rid of the gang bangers etc, but not guys like this.

Trump is such a failure.

they've been deported because they violated laws just like the gang bangers........get rid of all those who violate laws......
 
If you're going to fix illegal immigration in this country, going after people who have been here for decades and contribute to our society, is down right stupid.

We will never be able to stop all illegal immigration, that is a fact. But to go after family men who pay taxes, stupid. Those aren't the illegals that are harming America.
1) you aren't going to fix illegal immigration if you keep making excuses for criminals.......and
2) if we can get past ignorant protests like yours we CAN stop all illegal immigration......
 
Yay makes the distinction between the ILLEGAL that committed a crime coming here and, that we know of, committed no other crimes and the ILLEGAL that came here and committed more crimes. In the end, both are ILLEGAL.
actually no......he makes a distinction between an illegal that commits a crime after he's here and an illegal that commits a crime after he's here.........obviously there IS no distinction......but he makes one anyway, because he wants to........
 
actually no......he makes a distinction between an illegal that commits a crime after he's here and an illegal that commits a crime after he's here.........obviously there IS no distinction......but he makes one anyway, because he wants to........

BOTH are illegal. What they do after they get here doesn't change that despite Yaya's claim they are different.
 
I don't have compassion for those that committed a crime by coming here but I do understand what the word ILLEGAL means.

Both committed a crime by their very first act coming here. Would you let a bank robber keep the money if that was the only crime he committed decades ago?

It actually is not a crime, it is a civil penalty.
 
1) you aren't going to fix illegal immigration if you keep making excuses for criminals.......and
2) if we can get past ignorant protests like yours we CAN stop all illegal immigration......

Yeah, deporting these two guys, yeah that'll fix illegal immigration. I have no problem deporting virtually all illegals, but there has to be exceptions for people who have contributed strongly to their community.
 
Yeah, deporting these two guys, yeah that'll fix illegal immigration. I have no problem deporting virtually all illegals, but there has to be exceptions for people who have contributed strongly to their community.

Where does the law say there are exceptions? You are an idiot.
 
It actually is not a crime, it is a civil penalty.

Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally?

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences (deportation and bars from future entry).

Whether it’s by crossing the U.S. border with a "coyote" or buying a fake U.S. passport, a foreign national who enters the U.S. illegally can be both convicted of a crime and held responsible for a civil violation under the U.S. immigration laws. Illegal entry also carries consequences for anyone who might later attempt to apply for a green card or other immigration benefit.

The penalties and consequences get progressively more severe if a person enters illegally more than once, or enters illegally after an order of removal (deportation) or having been convicted of an aggravated felony.

What Is Illegal Entry?

The immigration law actually uses the term "improper entry," which has a broad meaning. It’s more than just slipping across the U.S. border at an unguarded point. Improper entry can include:

entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place other than one designated by U.S. immigration officers (in other words, away from a border inspection point or other port of entry)

eluding examination or inspection by U.S. immigration officers (people have tried everything from digging tunnels to hiding in the trunk of a friend’s car)
attempting to enter or obtain entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or willful concealment of a material fact (which might include, for example, lying on a visa application or buying a false green card or other entry document).
(See Title 8, Section 1325 of the U.S. Code (U.S.C.), or Section 275 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.) for the exact statutory language - www.uscis.gov/laws/immigration-and-nationality-act.)

Criminal Penalties

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. *For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

But just in case that isn’t enough to deter illegal entrants, a separate section of the law adds penalties for reentry (or attempted reentry) in cases where the person *had been convicted of certain types of crimes and thus removed (deported) from the U.S., *as follows:

(1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

(2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.

(3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.

(4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States before their prison sentence was up *shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.
What’s more, someone deported before a prison sentence was complete may be incarcerated for the remainder of the sentence of imprisonment, without any reduction for parole or supervised release.
(See 8 U.S.C. Section 1326, I.N.A. Section 276.)

Civil Penalties

Entry (or attempted entry) at a place other than one designated by immigration officers carries additional civil penalties. The amount is at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or *twice that amount if the illegal entrant has been previously fined a civil penalty for the same violation. (See 8 U.S.C. *Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

Immigration Consequences of an Improper Entry

A person who comes to the US without permission of the immigration authorities is inadmissible. To learn more about inadmissibility, see Who Can't Get Into The United States?
In practice, that usually means that if the person became eligible for a green card or other immigration status, he or she would be ineligible to adjust status within the United States. By leaving the U.S. and applying from overseas, the inadmissibility problem could be solved – unless the person had already stayed in the U.S. for six months or more without a right to be there. In that case, he or she would run into a separate ground of inadmissibility, based on "unlawful presence" in the United States. (For more on how that affects your possibilities of obtaining a green card, see Legal Options for an Undocumented Immigrant to Stay in the U.S.)

If a person was removed from the U.S. (deported) on the basis of a conviction for an aggravated felony (other than illegal entry or reentry), then the improper entry itself is considered to be an aggravated felony. *(See 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(O).) Having one of more aggravated felonies on one’s record is a huge problem, because aggravated felonies bar a person from virtually all immigration benefits, and are a grounds of deportability (under 8 U.S.C. 1227, I.N.A. Section 237).
 
Yeah, deporting these two guys, yeah that'll fix illegal immigration. I have no problem deporting virtually all illegals, but there has to be exceptions for people who have contributed strongly to their community.

and there are......its just that they throw the exceptions out the window when they commit a second crime.....
 
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