Trump on nukes: 'Let it be an arms race'

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We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all,' Trump says.
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President-elect Donald Trump on Friday morning escalated his calls for a stronger U.S. nuclear arsenal, saying he was fine with an “arms race” if it puts the U.S. in a stronger position against foreign adversaries.

“Let it be an arms race … we will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all,” Trump told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” during an off-air conversation on Friday.

The attempt at a clarification came after Trump alarmed some with a vague tweet on Thursday that said, “The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes.”

The tweet, which threatened to upend longstanding U.S. nonproliferation policy, followed comments from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who called on his country to “strengthen” its nuclear forces.

We need to strengthen the military potential of strategic nuclear forces, especially with missile complexes that can reliably penetrate any existing and prospective missile defense systems,” he said, according to multiple news reports.

Adding to the perplexity of the situation, Putin at an annual news conference on Friday said Russia has no interest in a nuclear arms race and called Trump’s tweet unsurprising.

“Of course the U.S. has more missiles, submarines and aircraft carriers, but what we say is that we are stronger than any aggressor, and this is the case,” Putin said, adding, “As for Donald Trump, there is nothing new about it, during his elections campaign he said the U.S. needs to bolster its nuclear capabilities and its armed forces in general.”

During the election season, Trump made contradictory statements about nuclear proliferation. He suggested that some countries — including Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia — should be allowed to develop them. But he also told The New York Times in March that “it’s a very scary nuclear world.”

“Biggest problem, to me, in the world, is nuclear, and proliferation,” Trump said at the time.

Trump’s more recent comments about expanding America’s nuclear capability goes against decades of policy to reduce the stockpile of nuclear warheads and could potentially violate an arms control treaty with Russia.

The U.S. has a stockpile of roughly 4,500 nuclear warheads and nearly 1,500 deployed warheads (Russia’s armaments are nearly identical, as both nations account for more than 90 percent of the world’s nuclear warheads.)

The U.S. and Russia are due to meet nuclear reduction targets by February 2018 under the New START Treaty, which can be extended for another five years in 2021.

On Thursday, John Tierney, a former Democratic congressman and current executive director of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, presented Trump’s tweet as perilous.

“It is dangerous for the President-elect to use just 140 characters and announce a major change in U.S. nuclear weapons policy, which is nuanced, complex, and affects every single person on this planet,” he said in a statement, warning that an expansion threatens a nuclear arms race.

The potential consequences of changing U.S. nuclear weapons policy so drastically are simply unimaginable,” he warned. “Current plans already call for spending $1 trillion over the next three decades to modernize and maintain the U.S. nuclear arsenal, which the Pentagon has expressed concern about being able to afford. The President-elect will have to explain why any increase is necessary both financially and strategically.”

But Jason Miller, a Trump spokesman, said on Thursday that the president-elect was talking about expanding nonproliferation efforts, not stoking an arms race.

"President-elect Trump was referring to the threat of nuclear proliferation and the critical need to prevent it — particularly to and among terrorist organizations and unstable and rogue regimes," Miller said in a statement. "He has also emphasized the need to improve and modernize our deterrent capability as a vital way to pursue peace through strength.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-nuclear-arms-race-russia-232944
 
so what to make of this..first I can't wait till Trump gts a press secretary up and running with a spokesman.
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we are already doing modernization -now we're clearly talking about expansion-but toward what ends?

There is no sane reason to escalate -but there IS a sane reason to WARN if escalation is called for by Russian ( and don't forget China) expansion...well we are reacting not advocating.

But i think it's all bluster. Putin appeared to walk it back. Trump did not. I'm think Trump is chest beating
especially with all the anti_Russian hysteria. He's gotta "look tough" if he wants improvements.

Congress is more then happy to tie us up in another Cold War. Jerks like Shumer, McCain and Graham have all been screaming
about how Russia is pushing us around ( they are not -we are escalating in Europe -primarily the Balkans.)

A lot of this is Kabuki -but a lot of it is innate fear of Russia. I am thinking Trump is playing Kabuki here.
 
Yeah, I think it's bluster/saber rattling, too. Putin doesn't have the money to compete with the U.S.. He will break the bank long before we ever would.
 
so what to make of this..first I can't wait till Trump gts a press secretary up and running with a spokesman.
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we are already doing modernization -now we're clearly talking about expansion-but toward what ends?

There is no sane reason to escalate -but there IS a sane reason to WARN if escalation is called for by Russian ( and don't forget China) expansion...well we are reacting not advocating.

But i think it's all bluster. Putin appeared to walk it back. Trump did not. I'm think Trump is chest beating
especially with all the anti_Russian hysteria. He's gotta "look tough" if he wants improvements.

Congress is more then happy to tie us up in another Cold War. Jerks like Shumer, McCain and Graham have all been screaming
about how Russia is pushing us around ( they are not -we are escalating in Europe -primarily the Balkans.)

A lot of this is Kabuki -but a lot of it is innate fear of Russia. I am thinking Trump is playing Kabuki here.

Keep sucking Trumps balls idiot.
 
Yeah, I think it's bluster/saber rattling, too. Putin doesn't have the money to compete with the U.S.. He will break the bank long before we ever would.
ya. the problem of course is enough saber rattling eventually leads to real use of sabers.
It's really tough to turn the trajectory around. The Dem's inflame the issue for politics,
the Repub warhorses always want more death machines.
Only Obama has shown any political restraint, but then again Obama got us here..it's a mess
 
ya. the problem of course is enough saber rattling eventually leads to real use of sabers.
It's really tough to turn the trajectory around. The Dem's inflame the issue for politics,
the Repub warhorses always want more death machines.
Only Obama has shown any political restraint, but then again Obama got us here..it's a mess

Obama's red line in Syria has caused 100's of thousands of deaths. But then, Socialists have always been the great mass murderers of modern history .
 
so what to make of this..first I can't wait till Trump gts a press secretary up and running with a spokesman.
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we are already doing modernization -now we're clearly talking about expansion-but toward what ends?

There is no sane reason to escalate -but there IS a sane reason to WARN if escalation is called for by Russian ( and don't forget China) expansion...well we are reacting not advocating.

But i think it's all bluster. Putin appeared to walk it back. Trump did not. I'm think Trump is chest beating
especially with all the anti_Russian hysteria. He's gotta "look tough" if he wants improvements.

Congress is more then happy to tie us up in another Cold War. Jerks like Shumer, McCain and Graham have all been screaming
about how Russia is pushing us around ( they are not -we are escalating in Europe -primarily the Balkans.)

A lot of this is Kabuki -but a lot of it is innate fear of Russia. I am thinking Trump is playing Kabuki here.

and people thought trump wouldnt stand up to putin :)

showing putin we wont back down actually makes it less likely an arms race will occur
 
ya. the problem of course is enough saber rattling eventually leads to real use of sabers.
It's really tough to turn the trajectory around. The Dem's inflame the issue for politics,
the Repub warhorses always want more death machines.
Only Obama has shown any political restraint, but then again Obama got us here..it's a mess

Obama got us a nuclear deterrent, the triad, MAD? Dems inflame the issue of the Potus ignorance of strategic nuclear issues, nomenclature and decades long positions on the singular issue that could pose an immediate threat of total annihilation? :palm:
 
Yeah, I think it's bluster/saber rattling, too. Putin doesn't have the money to compete with the U.S.. He will break the bank long before we ever would.

Trump is also full of bluster and saber rattling on this. The difference is Putin is keenly aware of the issues, as is Obama, and your game show host is completely ignorant.
Why do Republicans favor total morons like missile recalling Reagan, Bush 2 and the orange tweeting plutocrat dunce? At least Nixon and Bush the elder had intelligence. Stop trolling the game show circuit for political talent.
 
Trump is also full of bluster and saber rattling on this. The difference is Putin is keenly aware of the issues, as is Obama, and your game show host is completely ignorant.
Why do Republicans favor total morons like missile recalling Reagan, Bush 2 and the orange tweeting plutocrat dunce? At least Nixon and Bush the elder had intelligence. Stop trolling the game show circuit for political talent.

8 years of Trump, followed by 4 years of Pence. You better learn to pace yourself or you're going to cry yourself to death, prematurely.
 
ya. the problem of course is enough saber rattling eventually leads to real use of sabers.
It's really tough to turn the trajectory around. The Dem's inflame the issue for politics,
the Repub warhorses always want more death machines.
Only Obama has shown any political restraint, but then again Obama got us here..it's a mess

That line right there is very insightful.
 
This is such BS.

Is there any outlandish & moronic thing that Trump can say that you sycophants won't defend as some sort of genius psychological move?
 
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