Trump lied about the photo of Hunter Biden golfing with the "Exec" of gas company

All that matters is Joe Biden has been eliminated from any shot at being President,
Pocahontas just eliminated herself with her 40 trillion dollar "health care plan" :rofl2:

that leaves nut**bag nation with Bernie

good luck


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So, your strategy is to accuse others of what you yourself are inflicted with of and hope some of the dummies buy into it... How's that working out for you?
 
Devon Archer was a board member along with Hunter Biden. More Trump self-serving lying.

Yeah...please quote TRUMP CLAMING OTHERWISE. THE POINT WAS JOE BIDEN WAS THERE, DESPITE HIS CALIMS OF "NO KNOWLEDGE" OF HIS SON'S INVOLVEMENT W/BARISMA, DIPSHIT.
 
I have known dozens of engineers in my life and you are right. My son is a nuclear plant engineer; Mr. Owl is a software engineer. Neither are/were required to be licensed; Professional Engineer is a whole different thing. It's the same thing as an accountant who works for a bank or corporation, and a Certified Public Accountant who is licensed by his/her state and typically works for him/herself. Both will answer "accountant" when asked what they do for a living, but while both are accountants, their credentials and licensing are different.

Not all engineers must be licensed like plumbers and contractors they can work under the supervision of a licensed individual. To be a professional engineer one must be licensed.
 
It is required if you are going to stamp documents and drawings. That is the law.
I thought the issue was whether one can work in the engineering profession without having a PE license.

I agree that one needs a professional certification if one is going to legally or administratively certify plans, projects, permit applications, regulatory reports, etc.

That does not change the fact that people with engineering degrees work in the engineering profession without having a PE. I am a first-hand witness to it. What I have observed is that staff with engineering degrees are fully qualified to do the grunt, technical work, which can be ultimately approved and certified by a supervising licensed engineer when needed.
 
Not all engineers must be licensed like plumbers and contractors they can work under the supervision of a licensed individual. To be a professional engineer one must be licensed.

Exactly. Also one can be a mining engineer, a civil engineer, a software engineer, a nuclear plant engineer, an industrial engineer, etc. w/o the requirement of a license or a certification. As I said, it's the same with accounting. One of my brothers is a CPA and is licensed/certified. The other was an accountant for the U.S. Army Audit Agency. He was not licensed or certified nor was he required to be.

This is a stupid argument anyways, as it started when Sailor demanded to know Stone's line of work and she said "in engineering." She did not state that she is a professional engineer. At any rate, it's none of his, Toxic's, or anyone else's business.
 
Exactly. Also one can be a mining engineer, a civil engineer, a software engineer, a nuclear plant engineer, an industrial engineer, etc. w/o the requirement of a license or a certification. As I said, it's the same with accounting. One of my brothers is a CPA and is licensed/certified. The other was an accountant for the U.S. Army Audit Agency. He was not licensed or certified nor was he required to be.

This is a stupid argument anyways, as it started when Sailor demanded to know Stone's line of work and she said "in engineering." She did not state that she is a professional engineer. At any rate, it's none of his, Toxic's, or anyone else's business.


Still no reason why you need a license to be a nurse I see. Kind of takes the wind out of your dumb ass sails. Here, see if you can read and comprehend this. Maybe you will learn something.

Regulation and licensure in engineering

In the United States, the practice of professional engineering is highly regulated and the title "professional engineer" is legally protected, meaning that it is unlawful to use it to offer engineering services to the public unless permission, certification or other official endorsement is specifically granted by that state through a professional engineering license. Also, many states prohibit unlicensed persons from calling themselves an "engineer" or indicating branches or specialties not covered by the licensing acts.[45][46][47] Employees of state or federal agencies may also call themselves engineers if that term appears in their official job title. The IEEE's formal position on this is as follows: "The title, engineer and its derivatives should be reserved for those individuals whose education and experience qualify them to practice in a manner that protects public safety. Strict use of the title serves the interest of both the IEEE-USA and the public by providing a recognized designation by which those qualified to practice engineering may be identified."

Every state regulates the practice of engineering to ensure public safety by granting only Professional Engineers (PEs) the authority to sign and seal engineering plans and offer their services to the public.[48] There are additional requirements to include at least one professional engineer within the firm for these type of companies to include the word engineering in the title of the business, although these requirements are not universal.

In the United States an "industrial exemption" allows businesses to employ employees and call them an "engineer", as long as such individuals are under the direct supervision and control of the business entity and function internally related to manufacturing (manufactured parts) related to the business entity or work internally within an exempt organization. Such person does not have the final authority to approve or the ultimate responsibility for, engineering designs, plans or specifications that are to be: (A) incorporated into fixed works, systems or facilities on the property of others; or (B) made available to the public. These individuals are prohibited from representing an ability or willingness to perform engineering services or make an engineering judgment requiring a licensed professional engineer, engage in practice of engineering, offer engineering services directly to the public and/or other businesses; unless the business entity is registered with the state's board of engineering and the practice is carried on/supervised directly only by engineers licensed to engage in the practice of engineering.[45] Examples are sanitation engineer, production engineer, test engineer, network engineer, project engineer, systems engineer and sales engineer. These are often seen in engineering job advertisements online and in news papers. Most of the advertisements and employers don't require licensing because these positions do not pose a direct threat to public health or pose a liability danger.

The US model has generally been only to require the practicing engineers offering engineering services that impact the public welfare, safety or safeguarding of life, health or property to be licensed, while engineers working in private industry without a direct offering of engineering services to the public or other businesses, education and government need not be licensed.

In the United States, use of the title professional engineer is restricted to those holding a professional engineer's license. These people have the right to add the letters PE after their names on resumes, business cards and other communication. However, each state has its own licensing procedure and the license is valid only in the state that granted it. Therefore, many professional engineers maintain licenses in more than one state. Comity, also known as reciprocity, between states allows engineers who are licensed or registered in one state to obtain a license in another state without meeting the ordinary rigorous proof of qualification by testing. This is accomplished by the second state recognizing the validity of the first state's licensing or registration process.

Other uses of the term engineer are legally controlled and protected to varying degrees, dependent on the state and the enforcement of its engineering certification board. The term is frequently applied to fields where practitioners may have no engineering background or the work has no basis in the physical engineering disciplines; for example sanitation engineer.[49]

With regard to the term "software engineer", many states, such as Texas and Florida, have introduced license requirements for such a title that are in line with the requirements for more traditional engineering fields.
 
I thought the issue was whether one can work in the engineering profession without having a PE license.

I agree that one needs a professional certification if one is going to legally or administratively certify plans, projects, permit applications, regulatory reports, etc.

That does not change the fact that people with engineering degrees work in the engineering profession without having a PE. I am a first-hand witness to it. What I have observed is that staff with engineering degrees are fully qualified to do the grunt, technical work, which can be ultimately approved and certified by a supervising licensed engineer when needed.

No, that was not the issue. Sure one can work in the engineering field with a degree. But not call themselves Professional Engineer which is what the law recognizes as Engineer. There is a reason for that license as you referenced above.
 
Exactly. Also one can be a mining engineer, a civil engineer, a software engineer, a nuclear plant engineer, an industrial engineer, etc. w/o the requirement of a license or a certification. As I said, it's the same with accounting. One of my brothers is a CPA and is licensed/certified. The other was an accountant for the U.S. Army Audit Agency. He was not licensed or certified nor was he required to be.

This is a stupid argument anyways, as it started when Sailor demanded to know Stone's line of work and she said "in engineering." She did not state that she is a professional engineer. At any rate, it's none of his, Toxic's, or anyone else's business.

you do realize you are in a Hunter Biden sank his fathers chances thread right nut**bags?

do you ever focus?
 
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