Trump just said Brett had problems with drinking as a young man

cawacko said:
I have not followed the drinking lives of every single person I knew in my youth until today
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Right, exactly my point.

So you can't a make a statement that the people you knew back in the day who drank all turned out OK today.

So why did you make that statement?

It was just to be contrarian, wasn't it? You can be honest.
 
cawacko said:
I don't have an exact number of people I went to school with and knew growing up and know today.
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Right, so you made a statement before that was broad and kinda dishonest, wasn't it?

Wouldn't that be bad faith on your part?

It's OK to admit it. I won't hold that against you...but only if you admit it.
 
cawacko said:
I know people who partied and I don't mean having a glass of wine at an event. I know some of those people are very successful today. I've seen some of them blackout drunk.
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SOME.

So you're hedging here. In fact, you're hedging so much that it borders on the unbelievable.

And there is such a thing as functional alcoholics. But that doesn't make the "functional" part any better. There can be successful drunks...but they're still drunks.


There's nothing not cool or dishonest about what I'm saying. I'm talking about growing up in America.
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Sure there was. It was all bad faith from the start.

You started off by making a broad, generalized statement that you subsequently walked back.

That's a form of dishonesty. It's also bad faith.
 
LV426 said:
Right, exactly my point.

So you can't a make a statement that the people you knew back in the day who drank all turned out OK today.

So why did you make that statement?

It was just to be contrarian, wasn't it? You can be honest.
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I'm not trying to claim every who drank a lot as a youth turned out perfect today. I'm saying I saw a lot of people who drank a lot in high school and college turn out fine today. Not a controversial statement. Maybe you grew up in a different environment. Nothing wrong with that. We all have different experiences.
 
countryboy said:
I guarantee you've mischaracterized what was said. You people just can't help yourselves. Honesty just isn't in your character.
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Go ahead and search the clip for yourself. It's all over twitter.

I think by Tuesday next week, Brett will be in rehab.
 
LV426 said:
Problem is, most of us who went to college didn't binge drink and blackout our way through it because we actually had to work to be there to maintain GPA's to guarantee financial support and scholarships.

But it's cool to see Conservatives OK with alcoholics in influential positions so long as they're partisan...

None of this would be happening if Trump had simply nominated Garland.
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Garland??? LOL!
 
LV426 said:
I predict that between now and Tuesday next week, there will be another accusation from a credible victim, Brett and the GOP will deny it, but behind the scenes are trying to craft the best strategy to get Brett out. So that's why I think by Friday or Saturday, Trump will pull the nomination, and then in the next couple days following we'll get a teary press-conference from Brett where he declares he's going to check himself into rehab after throwing a couple partisan shots at Democrats and trying to make himself out to be the victim.
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Could be!

When it was just Ford...these sycophants all claimed that she was full of crap because she was the only one making accusations. They argued that if he was that kind of person...others would be telling their stories.

Now that others are doing so...they make all sorts of other bizarre claims.

Poor American conservatives. Being told WHAT to do...but not being told HOW to do it.

And they are having a hard time improvising.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not trying to claim every who drank a lot as a youth turned out perfect today.
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But here's what you said:

cawacko said:
I grew up with people who partied hard as youth's and didn't as adults. I grew up with people who did drugs in college and didn't as adults. I don't think that's unique. It's a part of growing up.
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So that's a different statement from the one you're making now, isn't it? Almost like you've moved the bar in a clear, demonstrable way.

How confident are you that these people you claim to know really are truly successful and aren't either bullshitting about it, or masking their struggles with success. There are plenty of functional alcoholics. The question before us is; should one be on SCOTUS?

I think it's a clear "no". But feel free to make an argument that an alcoholic should be on the bench....
 
LV426 said:
But here's what you said:



So that's a different statement from the one you're making now, isn't it? Almost like you've moved the bar in a clear, demonstrable way.

How confident are you that these people you claim to know really are truly successful and aren't either bullshitting about it, or masking their struggles with success. There are plenty of functional alcoholics. The question before us is; should one be on SCOTUS?

I think it's a clear "no". But feel free to make an argument that an alcoholic should be on the bench....
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I responded to this comment of yours:

""So since Brett had problems abusing alcohol as a youth, why would any of that abuse change as an adult?""

Except my comment was about all people not just Brett. And I stand by my comment. There are many people who drank heavily in their youth that don't do so as adults. I disagree with assertion and it's not a personal thing.
 
cawacko said:
Except my comment was about all people not just Brett. And I stand by my comment. There are many people who drank heavily in their youth that don't do so as adults. I disagree with assertion and it's not a personal thing.
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You stand by the comment you later walked back...

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cawacko said:
There are many people who drank heavily in their youth that don't do so as adults.
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"I mean, I don't know any, so I'm just making a broad generalization here to try and save face."

Save it.

Defending alcoholics isn't a good color on you.




I disagree with assertion and it's not a personal thing.
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Once a lush, always a lush.

But it's fun watching Conservatives argue a binge-drinking, blackout-drinking youth didn't grow up to be a binge-drinking, blackout-drinking adult.

What has Brett done to prove to you that he changed his drinking habits from when he was in college and high school?

You realize that's a combined 10 years of binge drinking (4 years HS + 4 years undergrad + 2 years law school), all during the age when a young adult's brain is still developing. In fact, scientifically speaking your brain isn't fully developed until you're in your mid-20's. So what do you think 10 years (at least) of binge drinking does to a developing mind?

10 years of binge and blackout drinking doesn't turn you into an alcoholic? Really? Is that the argument you're going to go with?
 
LV426 said:
"I mean, I don't know any, so I'm just making a broad generalization here to try and save face."

Save it.

Defending alcoholics isn't a good color on you.






Once a lush, always a lush.

But it's fun watching Conservatives argue a binge-drinking, blackout-drinking youth didn't grow up to be a binge-drinking, blackout-drinking adult.

What has Brett done to prove to you that he changed his drinking habits from when he was in college and high school?

You realize that's a combined 10 years of binge drinking (4 years HS + 4 years undergrad + 2 years law school), all during the age when a young adult's brain is still developing. In fact, scientifically speaking your brain isn't fully developed until you're in your mid-20's. So what do you think 10 years (at least) of binge drinking does to a developing mind?

10 years of binge and blackout drinking doesn't turn you into an alcoholic? Really? Is that the argument you're going to go with?
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I'm not speaking as a conservative, I'm speaking as a 46 year old man and my own experiences.
 
Sailor said:
Of course Ted Kennedy needs no photographic proof.....hehehehehe.....
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Libs don't give a rat's arse if Kavanaugh drinks, drank, or drunk. It's simply the latest issued talking point, and they are regurgitating it like the good little brown shirts they are.
 
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