Trump Is To Blame For Innocent Airliner Deaths And Trashed Credibility Of USA.

Micawber said:
It is similar to the economic sanctions against NK. Crippling sanctions do not seem to do the trick. The isolate, create suffering, create hatred and resentment
and have adverse consequences to the US.
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So we should hug them and give them money? Were you born retarded, or just work very hard at being mentally challenged?
 
Penderyn said:
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STFU Pendejo goat herder. :rolleyes:
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
And if there were no Iran Deal the mullahs wouldn’t have received billions for their terrorism and proxy wars.
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a) They would have done the proxies anyway, b) It was their money in the first place, and c) We made a deal. We have to abide by the deal we made. Anybody with a basic understanding of honor and reputation knows that.

Everybody signed it. It took years of negotiations to get to an agreement. There is no takeover on that. That clock cannot be reset to zero. We got the best deal that everybody could agree to. It wasn't easy. Trump has no idea what he's talking about. If it was as easy as Trump thought we would have had a better deal a long time ago. We got the deal that we could get. Period. And it was better than not getting a deal. That took lots of high level diplomacy to get that. Trump threw away the work of millions of dollars of US effort to get that deal. Not to mention all that every nation spent on continuing those talks for all the years it took. Six nations. All that work down the drain because of Trump. What a foolish thing to do.

Darth Omar said:
Trump nixed the bone-headed Iran Deal, sanctioned the regime and has them on the verge of collapse—without sacrificing a single American life.

Here in Fly Over Country we call that ‘getting her done’. Like I said in another thread: if Trump is a foreign policy dunce—the dunce is about 20 years late to the party.
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It's amazing anybody believes that what Trump has done has been a good thing. It screwed up years of careful work by high level diplomats who spent their careers learning their craft. Trump was a wrecking ball to all that work, and btw decimated the State Department in the act. A lot of valuable experience was thrown away. Good people got fired. That threw away decades of experience and valuable personal contacts which are irreplaceable. Trump destroyed all of that, and doing so was definitely our loss. That's why it is amazing anybody in the know thinks that is a good thing. To think so would be to flatly deny reality.

Iran thinks WE are the terrorists, OK? Trying to get a terrorism agreement as a part of the Nuke deal was a non starter. If the US tried to put that in there, Iran would simply not sign it. That was left for another time. We were able to negotiate with the sanctions which were already applied. We give some of that up, they give up building nuclear weapons, and they allow IAEA inspections to make sure they're abiding by the agreement. If we tried to get them to agree that they are terrorists, and to stop it, they would not have signed. Only a fool would expect them to have signed off on that when they said they would not sign that. Unless the terrorism thing was off the table there were no talks and no deal. We got a deal. We had peace. Trump threw it away. We just came to the brink of war. Stupid.

And all those people on that airliner never needed to die. Incredibly stupid. Only a mind in denial of basic morals would think that was a good thing or worth it. Or think it is all done after a few missiles hit some sand. Soleimani has been turned into a martyr. His name will be shrieked by every suicide terrorist in the moment prior to the explosion. We can thank Trump in advance for that. Stupid.
 
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maybe future presidents will realize the way to tame rogue regimes is not to give them billions of dollars on a pallet, in exchange for a promise that they will temporarily halt building a nuclear bomb.
wtf was he thinking anyway, what brain dead moron would do that

Peace through Strength when the evil in the world raises it's ugly head
 
PoliTalker said:
He never should have gone back on our word by pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal.

You don't prevent somebody from building nukes by forcing them to do it.

And you don't build national credibility by going back on your word.
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He didn't go back on his word. Iran broke that treaty a long time ago.
 
Micawber said:
It is similar to the economic sanctions against NK. Crippling sanctions do not seem to do the trick. The isolate, create suffering, create hatred and resentment
and have adverse consequences to the US.
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They've already worked in numerous places, liar.
 
PoliTalker said:
He never should have gone back on our word by pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal.

You don't prevent somebody from building nukes by forcing them to do it.

And you don't build national credibility by going back on your word.
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Jesus wept what an obnoxious cunt she is, no wonder she bans everybody!!
 
Penderyn said:
The trouble is that the likes of Trump have very selective historical memories. Everything goes back to the overthrow of democracy by the Americans (because Mossadeqh was going to nationalise the oil industry, and the oil companies called up their dogs). Many, many people hated the Shah's dictatorship, but the only possible alternative at the time was the Mosque, and the only thing that has kept the clerical regime in being is American hatred. The murder of General Soleimani was an act of unutterable stupidity by a senile fool, as was the withdrawal from the nuclear deal. Clearly the Ukrainian plane would never have been shot down but for the crisis the fool introduced, and if the fatman 'wins' now, the victory will be paid for in blood over a very long time. You'd think that, with all those ex-Irish people, the US would have learned this!
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A Shah isn't a democracy. It's a dictatorship.
 
He should be impeached just for the way he botched relations with Iran.

I refuse to believe most Americans are happy with what Trump has done with Iran.

We had peace and we had a deal and Iran was prevented from building nukes. All gone. Now we have no deal, brink of war, and Iran is now building nukes. What a big screw up Trump's idea turned out to be.
 
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