Trump is Russia's Worst Nightmare

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Trump is Russia's Worst Nightmare

With the Trump-Russia narrative dying a well deserved death it is time to acknowledge reality. Despite rhetoric that is friendly to Russia, mainly because Trump is attempting to use Russia as a counterbalance to China which he views as the real threat, the policies Trump implements are actually very harmful to Russia. There really is no comparison to the previous administration where Russia and its allies were allowed to get away with murder.

Energy

The Russian economy is dependent on oil and natural gas. If the prices for these are high then Russia does better and if its low then they do worse. By encouraging American companies to drill for oil and produce natural gas President Trump increases the supply of these products in the market. The more supply of something the lower its price weakening the Russian economy.

Middle East

There are two main factions in the Middle East. The Sunni camp headed by Saudi Arabia and the Shia camp headed by Iran. Since there are always fewer Shia states than Sunni states the Sunni states that want to replace Saudi Arabia or break away from their group tend to side with the Shia as well. Historically the Sunni bloc has sided with the US while the Shia block has sided with Russia.

President Trump has given the Saudis leeway to use any and all methods to go after Iran which is why we are seeing the diplomatic situation in Qatar. Qatar and Iran share the worlds largest natural gas field which the Iranian economy is dependent upon. The Saudis and the other Sunni nations in the region have blockaded them in an effort to end that relationship crippling Iran's economy and invalidating Russia's principal ally in the region.

Please note that with the Iran deal Obama actually strengthened Iran and by extension Russia in the region.

NATO

Most left leaning analysts would insist that Trump has weakened Europe and Nato against Russia. These analysts refuse to acknowledge one thing that most American citizens, whether Democrats or Republicans, know. The US does not have the willpower to fight another war. Make no mistake it has the technical capability to do so. The fact is 15 years of unending war in the Middle East have driven war exhaustion so high that the public will not support any future wars. Even if we pull out from the Middle East completely tomorrow it would still take some time for public sentiment to recover.

This is not lost on Putin and other world leaders. This is why he was confident he would face no military retaliation when he went after Crimea. By forcing the European countries to rearm themselves President Trump is creating a Europe which can defend itself against Russian aggression even without US support. Even with the example of Crimea Europe refuses to prepare for this and have to be forced to do so. A strong Europe is the best deterrent against Russia.

The Trump-Russia narrative is not only fake news it does not make logical sense as Trump is weakening Russia with every move.
 
trump could only get russian loans after years of niot paying American banks back


its how he became a tool of the russians idiot
 
tsuke said:
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https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2017/06/30/trump-is-russias-worst-nightmare/

Trump is Russia's Worst Nightmare

With the Trump-Russia narrative dying a well deserved death it is time to acknowledge reality. Despite rhetoric that is friendly to Russia, mainly because Trump is attempting to use Russia as a counterbalance to China which he views as the real threat, the policies Trump implements are actually very harmful to Russia. There really is no comparison to the previous administration where Russia and its allies were allowed to get away with murder.

Energy

The Russian economy is dependent on oil and natural gas. If the prices for these are high then Russia does better and if its low then they do worse. By encouraging American companies to drill for oil and produce natural gas President Trump increases the supply of these products in the market. The more supply of something the lower its price weakening the Russian economy.

Middle East

There are two main factions in the Middle East. The Sunni camp headed by Saudi Arabia and the Shia camp headed by Iran. Since there are always fewer Shia states than Sunni states the Sunni states that want to replace Saudi Arabia or break away from their group tend to side with the Shia as well. Historically the Sunni bloc has sided with the US while the Shia block has sided with Russia.

President Trump has given the Saudis leeway to use any and all methods to go after Iran which is why we are seeing the diplomatic situation in Qatar. Qatar and Iran share the worlds largest natural gas field which the Iranian economy is dependent upon. The Saudis and the other Sunni nations in the region have blockaded them in an effort to end that relationship crippling Iran's economy and invalidating Russia's principal ally in the region.

Please note that with the Iran deal Obama actually strengthened Iran and by extension Russia in the region.

NATO

Most left leaning analysts would insist that Trump has weakened Europe and Nato against Russia. These analysts refuse to acknowledge one thing that most American citizens, whether Democrats or Republicans, know. The US does not have the willpower to fight another war. Make no mistake it has the technical capability to do so. The fact is 15 years of unending war in the Middle East have driven war exhaustion so high that the public will not support any future wars. Even if we pull out from the Middle East completely tomorrow it would still take some time for public sentiment to recover.

This is not lost on Putin and other world leaders. This is why he was confident he would face no military retaliation when he went after Crimea. By forcing the European countries to rearm themselves President Trump is creating a Europe which can defend itself against Russian aggression even without US support. Even with the example of Crimea Europe refuses to prepare for this and have to be forced to do so. A strong Europe is the best deterrent against Russia.

The Trump-Russia narrative is not only fake news it does not make logical sense as Trump is weakening Russia with every move.
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Wrong

First your content, if Trump is as you say playing Russia off against China why then is his policies "very harmful to Russia?" which by the way, they haven't been so far, anything but harmful

How is Trump "encouraging" American energy companies anymore than previous Administrations "encouraged" American energy companies? And Russia's oil export problem isn't new to Trump, it has been occurring for at least the last two years, which by the way aids China, the nation you claim Trump sees as the real threat

And of course you realize that Qatar has one of the US's major airfields in the Middle East, and I never knew the Saudis needed US approval to "use any and all methods to go after Iran." Your whole Middle East melodrama is too simplistic to properly describe an area that is a quagmire

Lastly, hard to believe that Putin, an experienced world leader who practices realpolitik feels threatened or would ever be outmaneuvered by Trump who is easily goated with a complement and offended with a tweet
 
archives said:
Wrong

First your content, if Trump is as you say playing Russia off against China why then is his policies "very harmful to Russia?" which by the way, they haven't been so far, anything but harmful

How is Trump "encouraging" American energy companies anymore than previous Administrations "encouraged" American energy companies? And Russia's oil export problem isn't new to Trump, it has been occurring for at least the last two years, which by the way aids China, the nation you claim Trump sees as the real threat

And of course you realize that Qatar has one of the US's major airfields in the Middle East, and I never knew the Saudis needed US approval to "use any and all methods to go after Iran." Your whole Middle East melodrama is too simplistic to properly describe an area that is a quagmire

Lastly, hard to believe that Putin, an experienced world leader who practices realpolitik feels threatened or would ever be outmaneuvered by Trump who is easily goated with a complement and offended with a tweet
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you werent around when obama imposed regulations to limit fracking and oil? When you ease up your regulations people are more inclined to produce those types of energy.

Qatar has a major US base but is the sunni nation in the ME that is closest to Iran propping it up with the natural gas fields. sever that link and iran dies.

You may not want to accept that it is trumps mind behind this and thats fine but all of these things are happening. Europe just pledged its biggest increase in military spending this year showing that my third point is true.
 
archives said:
Wrong

First your content, if Trump is as you say playing Russia off against China why then is his policies "very harmful to Russia?" which by the way, they haven't been so far, anything but harmful

How is Trump "encouraging" American energy companies anymore than previous Administrations "encouraged" American energy companies? And Russia's oil export problem isn't new to Trump, it has been occurring for at least the last two years, which by the way aids China, the nation you claim Trump sees as the real threat

And of course you realize that Qatar has one of the US's major airfields in the Middle East, and I never knew the Saudis needed US approval to "use any and all methods to go after Iran." Your whole Middle East melodrama is too simplistic to properly describe an area that is a quagmire

Lastly, hard to believe that Putin, an experienced world leader who practices realpolitik feels threatened or would ever be outmaneuvered by Trump who is easily goated with a complement and offended with a tweet
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Tspuke is both and idiot and a liar.

He is terrified of China and thinks Russia is harmless.
Too dumb to troll well.
 
tsuke said:
you werent around when obama imposed regulations to limit fracking and oil? When you ease up your regulations people are more inclined to produce those types of energy.

Qatar has a major US base but is the sunni nation in the ME that is closest to Iran propping it up with the natural gas fields. sever that link and iran dies.

You may not want to accept that it is trumps mind behind this and thats fine but all of these things are happening. Europe just pledged its biggest increase in military spending this year showing that my third point is true.
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Again, that is inaccurate, has energy production increased dramatically since Trump has been President? No, meaning those regulations that you think were lifted had little or no effect on production and still don't

Iran is not, nor was it ever, depended on Qatar for anything, and Iran has plenty of oil resources of its own, don't know where you got that one from

Some of the nations in Europe are increasing military spending, but not to the degree nor effect that you want to imply

And to imply that any of this is presents some kind of nightmarish hurdle to Putin is absurd, even accepting half of the scenarios you presented doesn't in any way change anything from his view
 
Do liberals tend to lionize Vlad or is just me lol?

Bottom line is we hold all the cards against Putin. He has nothing we want. He can't sanction us but we can sanction him. The only thing Trump needs Putin for is leverage against China and to help with ISIS.

Trump knows more about deal making than the last two presidents, combined. And I'll wager Putin won't underestimate Trump like his domestic critics do.

I think the meeting could be real interesting.
 
Darth Omar said:
Do liberals tend to lionize Vlad or is just me lol?

Bottom line is we hold all the cards against Putin. He has nothing we want. He can't sanction us but we can sanction him. The only thing Trump needs Putin for is leverage against China and to help with ISIS.

Trump knows more about deal making than the last two presidents, combined. And I'll wager Putin won't underestimate Trump like his domestic critics do.

I think the meeting could be real interesting.
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You make foreign relations sound like it is Saturday night poker with your buddies.

He does have something we want, the key to stability, Russian moves effect everyone, especially the United States, and how exactly do you get Russia to checkmate China? Russia is not involved in the Far East, and considering President Trump has decided to abandon the area, China has free reign and nothing Russia is going to do is going to stop that

And forget the "deal making" crapola, the guy can't even get his own party to agree on anything. You got a TV reality star who is goated by flattery and offended by tweets facing a world leader who practices realpolitik, our President is going to get an education, lets just hope he learns quickly
 
This is not lost on Putin and other world leaders. This is why he was confident he would face no military retaliation when he went after Crimea.
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he did it by stealth. "Little green men". by the time it was confirmed Russian troops were occupying Crimea it was too late..he did the whole thing within 48 hours.
It was a masterful play -as good as Germany bypassing the Maginot line in WWII..

Putin would never be stupid enough to directly invade the Baltics with insignia troops, and frankly he has no reason to.


By forcing the European countries to rearm themselves President Trump is creating a Europe which can defend itself against Russian aggression even without US support.
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no. Europe cannot put up a defense without NATO. What Trump has done is gotten NATO to pay more, even Germany is stepping up but so are many of the countries who never came close to 2% GDP.
 
archives said:
You make foreign relations sound like it is Saturday night poker with your buddies.

He does have something we want, the key to stability, Russian moves effect everyone, especially the United States, and how exactly do you get Russia to checkmate China? Russia is not involved in the Far East, and considering President Trump has decided to abandon the area, China has free reign and nothing Russia is going to do is going to stop that

And forget the "deal making" crapola, the guy can't even get his own party to agree on anything. You got a TV reality star who is goated by flattery and offended by tweets facing a world leader who practices realpolitik, our President is going to get an education, lets just hope he learns quickly
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Trump is a pragmatist who is more than willing to deal so I don't know where you get the idea he would be put off by realpolitik. Trump hasn't had luck with congress but I don't know anyone who would, at this point.

Putin is less dysfunctional.
 
archives said:
You make foreign relations sound like it is Saturday night poker with your buddies.

He does have something we want, the key to stability, Russian moves effect everyone, especially the United States, and how exactly do you get Russia to checkmate China? Russia is not involved in the Far East, and considering President Trump has decided to abandon the area, China has free reign and nothing Russia is going to do is going to stop that

And forget the "deal making" crapola, the guy can't even get his own party to agree on anything. You got a TV reality star who is goated by flattery and offended by tweets facing a world leader who practices realpolitik, our President is going to get an education, lets just hope he learns quickly
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Russia is heavily involved in Asia -both economic and military. The idea would be to separate the two (China and Russian) partners, by de-escalation of tensions w/Putin.

China is our long term enemy. They are real hegemonists -they want the entire S.China Sea,and they have the ability to build a military to do it by naval air and anti carrier weapons
 
If you are the head of your Party, and your Party has complete control of both bodies of Congress and they still can't get passed legislation that they have been promising and working on for seven years, you got to question the leadership involved. If the President is this great "deal maker" that his followers believe he is he should have handled the situation long ago

He might be a pragmatist, but he has never experienced a hard core player as Putin who has been in the game for decades and has a history that shows he is easily willing to go to the extreme. As I said above, it should be a learning experience for the President, lets just hopes he puts his ego aside and learns quick
 
Darth Omar said:
Trump is a pragmatist who is more than willing to deal so I don't know where you get the idea he would be put off by realpolitik. Trump hasn't had luck with congress but I don't know anyone who would, at this point.

Putin is less dysfunctional.
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lol..to the bolded. :)

Of course Trump understands realpolitik -he's trying to engage NK thru China -
and not this meaningless "strategic engagement" (partnership) w/China..this is from 2015

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-americas-china-strategy-should-be-13473
Finally, the early tenure of China’s avowedly nationalist and politically powerful president, Xi Jinping, has produced a material rise in domestic repression and tensions with the United States and China’s neighbors. Xi has expanded the definition of China’s “core interests,” militarized its maritime doctrine, and overseen devastating cyberattacks against the U.S. government. At home he’s adopted a hard line on domestic dissent and launched repeated broadsides against “Western values,” NGOs and civil-society groups.

Likewise, America’s “engagement” strategy was flawed from the start, proving insufficient to cope with the realities of a neonationalist China.
Whatever the case, Xi’s China has brought the flaws in America’s China strategy into sharper focus. Rapid economic growth has correlated with greater repression, while efforts at engagement and integration have been met with more brazen challenges to the status quo.
 
anatta said:
Russia is heavily involved in Asia -both economic and military. The idea would be to separate the two (China and Russian) partners, by de-escalation of tensions w/Putin.

China is our long term enemy. They are real hegemonists -they want the entire S.China Sea,and they have the ability to build a military to do it by naval air and anti carrier weapons
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China wants the entire Far East, and with the US bailing on the area, it is hard to see how anyone is going to prevent them from dominating the area. It's not about military, they don't need to do anything militarily, it's all about economics, with the US pulling out of TPP even Australia is now looking for favorable trade agreements with China.

Russia is less of a player in the area than the US, their not going to do anything, this wedge your talking about is 20th Century, irrelevant today
 
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