Using your logic the president could declare himself king, and if Congress and the courts allowed it, it would be a constitutionalpower he has.
Trump: I could declare a national emergency to get border wall
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Using your logic the president could declare himself king, and if Congress and the courts allowed it, it would be a constitutionalpower he has.
No. It doesn't. Seriously, read the rulings. You are supposed to be an attorney, act like it instead of pretending you are too stupid to actually understand what I have stated. Reality doesn't match up to your insistence, and instead of recognizing that you are wrong you just keep declaring the same thing over and over. It's disingenuous and I don't believe that you are that stupid. While some may, I am not one of them.
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Words of a would be dictator
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Money is there , "Mexico will pay for the wall"
Mason Michaels
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The wall isn't a national emergency bitch!
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Obama card played!desperation setting in
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defending Trumpy?
just how far have you fallen Damo?
I always knew Libertarians were fakes
Not defending anybody, noting that somebody has made a blanket statement that is wrong. Please read the whole of the thread before you make assumptions. Wait. Who do I think I'm talking to? LOL.
Reality: Presidents can declare emergencies.
More reality: I do not think he'll be able to use this to build a wall. I think the courts will rule against it and predict, as in the past, that he will abide by their ruling. (If he even tries to do this at all, I don't think he will).
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In this thread, yes. It is one attorney making a non-factual blanket statement.
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so you are not interested in the REAL debate?
you are just poking Jarod ?
you are carrying the trump water
face your self
This isn't a fucking social game
This is OUR nation
I always knew Libertarians were fakes
No. I am simply pointing out that his statement is incorrect and why. The debate about the wall... not part of that. I do not believe that Trump will try to use emergency powers to build the wall and if he does I believe he will lose. I have no interest in debating hypothetical nonsense, I do have interest regarding facts though.
The wall? Yes. As I said. I don't think he will even try this because he knows it will end in failure making the "Image President" look even smaller than he already looks. It doesn't change that Emergency Powers do exist, just not for this. Jarod stated that they do not exist at all, which isn't backed up by reality, rulings, laws passed.... The President has Emergency powers, it is why Congress passed the National Emergency Powers Act in 1976 to give them some control and an expiration...
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I tried to get a discussion on this topic started a week ago, and it seemed no one was interested. Now you folks have gone through all kinds of convoluted speak discussing something that was well discussed in the article I posted. Perhaps you will educate yourselves, and read the article I posted:
As Long As Rational Minds Prevail
Government is not the threat, and can be controlled by the people. It is when the irrational gain power that one has to worry, and, unfortunately, that time is here. It is how Hitler, Stalin, and others have gained the power they had/have with a minority support of the people:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
It would be nice to think that America is protected from the worst excesses of Trump’s impulses by its democratic laws and institutions. After all, Trump can do only so much without bumping up against the limits set by the Constitution and Congress and enforced by the courts. Those who see Trump as a threat to democracy comfort themselves with the belief that these limits will hold him in check.
But will they? Unknown to most Americans, a parallel legal regime allows the president to sidestep many of the constraints that normally apply. The moment the president declares a “national emergency”—a decision that is entirely within his discretion—more than 100 special provisions become available to him. While many of these tee up reasonable responses to genuine emergencies, some appear dangerously suited to a leader bent on amassing or retaining power. For instance, the president can, with the flick of his pen, activate laws allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze Americans’ bank accounts. Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.
This edifice of extraordinary powers has historically rested on the assumption that the president will act in the country’s best interest when using them. With a handful of noteworthy exceptions, this assumption has held up. But what if a president, backed into a corner and facing electoral defeat or impeachment, were to declare an emergency for the sake of holding on to power? In that scenario, our laws and institutions might not save us from a presidential power grab. They might be what takes us down.
As Long As Rational Minds Prevail
Government is not the threat, and can be controlled by the people. It is when the irrational gain power that one has to worry, and, unfortunately, that time is here. It is how Hitler, Stalin, and others have gained the power they had/have with a minority support of the people:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
It would be nice to think that America is protected from the worst excesses of Trump’s impulses by its democratic laws and institutions. After all, Trump can do only so much without bumping up against the limits set by the Constitution and Congress and enforced by the courts. Those who see Trump as a threat to democracy comfort themselves with the belief that these limits will hold him in check.
But will they? Unknown to most Americans, a parallel legal regime allows the president to sidestep many of the constraints that normally apply. The moment the president declares a “national emergency”—a decision that is entirely within his discretion—more than 100 special provisions become available to him. While many of these tee up reasonable responses to genuine emergencies, some appear dangerously suited to a leader bent on amassing or retaining power. For instance, the president can, with the flick of his pen, activate laws allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze Americans’ bank accounts. Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.
This edifice of extraordinary powers has historically rested on the assumption that the president will act in the country’s best interest when using them. With a handful of noteworthy exceptions, this assumption has held up. But what if a president, backed into a corner and facing electoral defeat or impeachment, were to declare an emergency for the sake of holding on to power? In that scenario, our laws and institutions might not save us from a presidential power grab. They might be what takes us down.
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If you read the act, Congress can declare that emergency over by passing a joint resolution. If Trump declares such an emergency, Congress can quickly end it. If one House of Congress passes a resolution to end it, the other house is required to send it to committee and within 15 days report it to the floor where it becomes the order of business which means leadership can't prevent a vote. It looks like the maximum time frame for Congress to act to overturn any emergency declaration is 36 days from the first introduction of such a resolution. Every member of Congress is going to be on record before it ever makes it to the courts. I don't see a majority being willing to agree it is a national emergency if they hope to be reelected.
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Emergency Power - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes
https://legaldictionary.net/emergency-power
The President of the United States possesses certain powers to act in emergency situations. Though such “emergency power” is not specifically expressed in the Constitution , the Executive Branch is designed to be able to act quickly in times of war or national emergency.
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