Trump Gets Big Win In Major Testimony

[T. A. Gardner]

They just cannot grasp the obvious fact that the entire NY "fraud case" is total bullshit.

Can't get their little pinheads around it.

The best--THE BEST--NY can get out of this is to charge Trump $1 for having lied to the bank. There are plenty of precedents for that. Here's one historical example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

 

[Grokmaster]

The best--THE BEST--NY can get out of this is to charge Trump $1 for having lied to the bank. There are plenty of precedents for that. Here's one historical example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

The bank does not claim to be lied to; just difference of opinion.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The bank does not claim to be lied to; just difference of opinion.

Exactly. I gave a case where the defendants lied their asses off from history but were fined just $1 because there was no proof of loss on the part of the plaintiff. The point I'm making is that if the state of NY cannot show a monetary loss or illicit gain from Trump's actions they've got nothing. The banks saying they go paid in full pretty much demolishes the state's case completely.

 

[Into the Night]

Still standing.

No, it isn't.

 

[Into the Night]

Those who lie on loan applications and such.

New York is not a victim of that!

 

[Into the Night]

Simply untrue.

Denying history isn't going to work.

 

[serendipity]

For fraud to occur, there has to be a loss on the part of the lender. You can say whatever you want, the bank has a duty to do due diligence, and if the loan is repaid in full, there is no fraud. If you think anything else is the case, you are a retard.

Poor Retardo Saunders

 

[Into the Night]

It is a common practice of both buyers and sellers of real estate. The lender often requires LOAN INSURANCE, but that is not home owners/property insurance.



Offers and counter offers.


Apparently, none of the JPP left have ever owned a home.

They just claim they do!

 

[Into the Night]

ROFLMAO.
I did read the testimony. Would you care to point out where they said they didn't have to adjust it because it was correct?

The judgement is not set aside. The dissolution of his companies is stayed while it is on appeal. Judgements are not set aside simply because an appeal is filed. A judgement can't be set aside until the appeals court rules.

The judgement was set aside.
The kangaroo court is being reviewed.

 

[Into the Night]

It's clear you have never taken out a business loan with a covenant that requires you to give annual financial statements.

But then you consistently prove you don't know you ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to most subjects.

You are describing yourself. You don't own a business nor have taken out any business loan. You don't own property either. It's obvious.

 

[Into the Night]

Many of us are surprised that Gardner thinks we take him seriously.
He actually calls himself a troll.

Word stuffing won't work, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Filing a false appraisal with an insurance company is fraud.

No, it isn't.

Claiming a false value for tax purposes is fraud.

No, it isn't.

In neither case will a bank need to appraise the property.

Yes they do.

This isn't about owning a home. It is about providing financial statements that truly reflect your net worth.

It's about property and how much it's 'worth' under various cicumstances.

Clearly you have never had to provide your net worth for any purpose.

You are describing yourself again.

Perhaps you shouldn't accuse others of something when anyone that has a net worth over $200,000 can clearly see you are full of shit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Grokmaster]

No, it isn't.

No, it isn't.

Yes they do.

It's about property and how much it's 'worth' under various cicumstances.

You are describing yourself again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It IS laughable reading this silliass nonsense these dullards believe is how real estate deals work in the real world.

Asking prices and counter offers are "fraud"

Differing estimates are "fraud".

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

False. David Williams testified that valuations are ALWAYS a range and that the Trump valuations were within reason.

Yet Soros thug EnGöring fabricated an utterly ludicrous value for beachfront resort property in order to obstruct justice.

The sq footage of a house is not a range that can vary from 10,000 to 30,000 sq ft.

Soros didn't fabricate any ludicrous value. He cited the value that was used by the county in Florida for calculating the property tax. A value that Trump argued was too high.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The sq footage of a house is not a range that can vary from 10,000 to 30,000 sq ft.

Soros didn't fabricate any ludicrous value. He cited the value that was used by the county in Florida for calculating the property tax. A value that Trump argued was too high.

Soros puppet EnGöring did. The question isn't square footage of the home, it's the beach front property. The Soros thug lied the value at less than a penny on the dollar. EnGöring was signaling his boss with that ruling that he was throwing the case, as ordered. And no, EnGöring did NOT use the value set by the county assessor - he discarded the legitimate assay in favor of his made up and absurd undervaluation.

 

[QP!]

The values were ultimately decided by the bank; and?

As explained to you prior that DOES NOT undue the fraud's committed.


If you show up to your local bank tomorrow, filling out forms for loans, and you put on those forms you own all sorts of properties you do not, you say the properties you own are worth multiples more than they are, and you make other fraudulent loans...

... even if that bank catches it, in their diligence and NEVER issues you a loan, you are still guilty of fraud, if the gov't pursues the case.

The FRAUD IS NOT dependent on you getting a loan nor the bank losing money on any loan issued. The Fraud happens prior to that.

 

[QP!]

To illustrate how painfully stupid Grok and other magatards are.


Person 1 goes bank to bank, and insurance company to insurance company submitting all fraudulent doc's in attempts to get loans and insurance he does not qualify for.

The banks and insurance are on to him. They know it is fraudulent, never make any loans, and report him to police and prosecutors who charge him.


Grok shows up to advise the now indicted person and says 'you have nothing to worry about as they never did the transaction with you, thus no loss, thus no crime', and he further tells others 'you can do the same thing and not worry about it, as it is not a crime'.


It is because of people like Grok, on the magatard right, that we Dems are granted this super power. Their stupidity is our secret weapon. The only ones they can get jailed are fellow magatard derps who are equally stupid. And that is why we keep racking up the wins against them in courts.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Another JPP leftist who has NEVER purchased a home, obviously.

Seller gives one price, buyer offers another, lower one.

Amazing how fucking clueless about normal real life events the local left is.

Embarrassing, actually.


" ~ “The case against the former president lacks victims, so Tish James and Arthur Engoron are inventing some,” former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy said.

“That is not stopping elected progressive Democrats Letitia James and Arthur Engoron, the state attorney general and her cat’s paw in a judge’s robe, from concocting a mammoth fraud scheme masterminded by Trump in which we’re to believe the banks lost their shirts . . . but just forgot to complain about it,” he wrote.

“It’s an amazing thing to watch: Donald Trump, front-runner in the Republican presidential nomination race, is on trial for supposedly inventing wealth that he didn’t have; and in order to nail him, elected Democrats Tish James and Arthur Engoron are inventing losses that no one ever suffered.”

OMFG.
You don't even understand the basics of what Trump is being sued for.
He is not being sued for overpaying for property.
He is not being sued for getting a home loan.

He is being sued and has been found liable for filing false documents.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

For fraud to occur, there has to be a loss on the part of the lender. You can say whatever you want, the bank has a duty to do due diligence, and if the loan is repaid in full, there is no fraud. If you think anything else is the case, you are a retard.

WRONG!!

Check out the law before you make such obvious idiotic claims.
Trump's fraud isn't for lying to the bank about the value of a property he is getting a loan to buy for which a bank would do an appraisal.
His fraud is claiming assets he is NOT getting a loan on have a size or value that far exceeds any fair market value. He claims that in order to show the bank he has other assets. It would be fraud for me to claim to a bank that I own 10,000,000 share of Apple when the ask me what my net worth is. It would be fraud to claim the 10,000 shares of Apple I do own are worth $10,000 per share.
It is fraud to claim your 10,000 sq ft home is 30,000 sq ft when providing a value of your assets.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Adjustments are COMMON is what he said, or did you miss that?

Another leftist who has NEVER BOUGHT A HOUSE...obviously.

I see you are going to argue that if everyone commits a crime then it is no longer a crime.