Trump eviscerates Crooked Hillary

[Darth Omar]

There are those who believe that there is profit in racism and act accordingly. Are they racists ? Yes, you judge people by what they say and do.

So, you gave up on the Trump is an overt racist angle and went with he's trying to profit from it lol.

Good stuff.

 

[Daimoku]

Ryan lol.

I don't care what Ryan said. The judge had reason to be biased against Trump because of the judge's Mexican heritage and Trumps stand on immigration. NOT because Trump thinks all Mexicans are intrinsically biased. THAT would be rscist.

The former isn't racism no matter how bad you want Trump to be a racist.

So, let me makes sure I understand your reasoning. You're acknowledging that claiming that all Mexicans are intrinsically bias is racist. But, you're saying that claiming all Mexicans are incapable of being objective when it comes to immigration policies isn't racist?

 

[anatta]

Speech was good. It had about as much merit as Clinton going after Trump for bankruptcies ( inane) -
and I'd hit her on being a boldfaced liar on the Email, instead of the squishy Clinton foundation.

Now lets see how long he can maintain.

 

[Darth Omar]

So, let me makes sure I understand your reasoning. You're acknowledging that claiming that all Mexicans are intrinsically bias is racist. But, you're saying that claiming all Mexicans are incapable of being objective when it comes to immigration policies isn't racist?

I'm claiming Mexicans have biases just like everyone else. They aren't a special category of the human species just because they didn't descend from white Europeans. Doesn't the left go on about how Trump will have problems getting the Latino and Mexican vote due to his stance on immigration?

Well, Trump suspects the Mexican judge of being ONE of the Mexicans biased against him. Hardly a far-fetched notion but that doesn't mean the charge has any merit.

If it's important to you that Trump is a racist you'll need to do better than that.

 

[Darth Omar]

Speech was good. It had about as much merit as Clinton going after Trump for bankruptcies ( inane) -
and I'd hit her on being a boldfaced liar on the Email, instead of the squishy Clinton foundation.

Now lets see how long he can maintain.

I still can't get over Bernie's 'enough of the damn emails' quip. I bet he wishes he had that one back now.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

what was your reaction after hilary gave her speech a couple of weeks back? Did you say "big deal a liar attacking another liar?" or something to that effect? No you did not.

You're just like the posters who said that because I compared Trump to Hitler on some levels, I have to also say that Obama is a Muslim.

I thought Hillary's speech was good strategy, and commented on it. And you were wrong on it, btw - you said that no one was even talking about it when a day had passed, but it's still being discussed on some of the cable panels I watch (and was certainly discussed a lot in the week afterward).

You took it as me saying "I love Hillary so much!" But I was just saying it was good strategy. I appreciate your vigilance on any potential bias there, though. We certainly wouldn't want any bias on a political message board.

This is like Shawshank; no one here is biased.

 

[Darth Omar]

Explain how it wasn't racist. Since Trump claimed that the judge can't rule fairly (on a case not about immigration) because he's Mexican, the burden is on you to alter reality, abolish logic, and to be inventive.

As I just explained to someone else, Trump isn't popular with Mexicans because of his hardline immigration stance. With me so far?

Okay, the judge is Mexican. So, the possibility exists that he might be biased against Trump in court. Hence, 'because he's Mexican' is an allusion to that possibility.

For the life of me I don't know what's so hard to understand about it. I suspect people do a knee-jerk when they hear 'because he's Mexican' and leap to the conclusion Trump was making a racist comment.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

The judge is Mexican?

 

[Darth Omar]

The judge is Mexican?

You don't know?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

You don't know?

The judge is an American.

 

[Darth Omar]

The judge is an American.

Hyphenated American is the rage now, isn't it?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Hyphenated American is the rage now, isn't it?

Did you or Trump hyphenate? I must have missed that.

And don't say this is pc. You both said "he's a Mexican." That simply isn't accurate.

Is Trump a racist? It's a serious charge, and I take it seriously. He certainly has a history of borderline views & comments. I don't think he views people equally.

 

[Darth Omar]

Did you or Trump hyphenate? I must have missed that.

And don't say this is pc. You both said "he's a Mexican." That simply isn't accurate.

Is Trump a racist? It's a serious charge, and I take it seriously. He certainly has a history of borderline views & comments. I don't think he views people equally.

There's no evidence Trump is racist based on that comment.

 

[Daimoku]

I'm claiming Mexicans have biases just like everyone else. They aren't a special category of the human species just because they didn't descend from white Europeans. Doesn't the left go on about how Trump will have problems getting the Latino and Mexican vote due to his stance on immigration?

Well, Trump suspects the Mexican judge of being ONE of the Mexicans biased against him. Hardly a far-fetched notion but that doesn't mean the charge has any merit.

If it's important to you that Trump is a racist you'll need to do better than that.

I noticed that twice you referred to the judge as "Mexican". The judge is American. If there were a history of this particular judge demonstrating that he wasn't able to put his personal political beliefs aside , then maybe you'd have an argument. But, there isn't any. Certainly, Trump's lawyers wouldn't continue to allow him to hear the case if there were legitimate concerns about his bias. But instead, this is what they've said.

“The judge is doing his job,” said Daniel Petrocelli, shaking his head, when asked if planned to seek Curiel’s recusal. “We’re not seeking to recuse the judge.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/actions-speak-louder-than-trump-his-own-lawyer-said-the-judge-is-doing-his-job-in-trump-u-case-224338852.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

Here's a judge that went through law school, made his way up through the ranks to become a judge, was appointed first by a Republican Governor to Superior Court Judge in 2006 , then to the federal bench in 2011. We don't even know what the political beliefs of this judge is. So why can't we do what the great Dr. King said. Judge people by the content of their character. Not by the color of their skin.

 

[Darth Omar]

I noticed that twice you referred to the judge as "Mexican". The judge is American. If there were a history of this particular judge demonstrating that he wasn't able to put his personal political beliefs aside , then maybe you'd have an argument. But, there isn't any. Certainly, Trump's lawyers wouldn't continue to allow him to hear the case if there were legitimate concerns about his bias. But instead, this is what they've said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/actions-speak-louder-than-trump-his-own-lawyer-said-the-judge-is-doing-his-job-in-trump-u-case-224338852.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

Here's a judge that went through law school, made his way up through the ranks to become a judge, was appointed first by a Republican Governor to Superior Court Judge in 2006 , then to the federal bench in 2011. We don't even know what the political beliefs of this judge is. So why can't we do what the great Dr. King said. Judge people by the content of their character. Not by the color of their skin.

King would be mortified at the false charges of racism that go around these days. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he had in mind.

Is mis-identifying people as Mexican, racist? No.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

King would be mortified at the false charges of racism that go around these days. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he had in mind.

Is mis-identifying people as Mexican, racist? No.

You're really underplaying it.

Trump wasn't "mis-identifying" anything. He had ample opportunity to change his comments, but stuck with "he's a Mexican."

He was marginalizing the guy because of his heritage. We are all born of immigrants, and many are proud of their heritage. There is a huge difference between that, and essentially saying that someone can't do their job because of that affiliation.

I know, I know - just imagine if it was Hillary and a pro-life judge, or whatever.

 

[Darth Omar]

You're really underplaying it.

Trump wasn't "mis-identifying" anything. He had ample opportunity to change his comments, but stuck with "he's a Mexican."

He was marginalizing the guy because of his heritage. We are all born of immigrants, and many are proud of their heritage. There is a huge difference between that, and essentially saying that someone can't do their job because of that affiliation.

I know, I know - just imagine if it was Hillary and a pro-life judge, or whatever.

I have you pegged by now, Thing. You have a hate on for Trump and you've allowed it to affect your thinking. You're determined to make it like Trump's comments were made in a vacuum; the possibility that Trump's immigration policy might have a bearing on it isn't allowed in the equation because that gets him off the hook.

You want Trump to stay on the hook.

I have my own problems with Trump even though I plan on voting for him. The fact self-righteous racialist accusers persist in calling him a racist, on the flimsy-est of evidence, is not one of those problems.

 

[Airstrip One]

I may be wrong but I thought Trump was implying that the judge might be biased because of his many calls for a wall to be built across the border. Is that any different to lawyers choosing jurors before a case?

Yes, because jurors represent common proles for the most part. You get lousy judges, such as the one from the Stanford rape case, but, Curiel seems to be a professional.

 

[Daimoku]

King would be mortified at the false charges of racism that go around these days. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he had in mind.

Is mis-identifying people as Mexican, racist? No.

You're using King to justify Trump judging a man based on his skin color ( rather than the content of his character)? Seriously?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I have you pegged by now, Thing. You have a hate on for Trump and you've allowed it to affect your thinking. You're determined to make it like Trump's comments were made in a vacuum; the possibility that Trump's immigration policy isn't allowed in the equation because that gets him off the hook.

You want Trump to stay on the hook.

I have my own problems with Trump even though I plan on voting for him. The fact self-righteous racialist accusers persist in calling him a racist, on the flimsy-est of evidence, is not one of those problems.

I don't see this as a "Trump hate" thing. I think to justify that, you'd see this only among people who oppose Trump politically & lefties.

I have lost count of the # of conservatives who said or implied that what he said about the judge was racist, including the current Speaker of the House. I think it's only his hardcore supporters who don't at least have some issues w/ it.