Yep. A demonstration of how quickly chaos takes hold and how fast wealth will leave is perfect for the republican cause.
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i do not understand your distinction so maybe you can explain it.
My definition of "brilliant marketers' are guys who can build enduring brands that out last even their own lives. These brands are often worth MORE than the operating company below via the 'good will' value attributed to the brand.
Do you read the list below and think ANYONE would say 'I want to pay a premium to put the Trump BRAND on my business', or would buy any of those businesses out of bankruptcy to relaunch on BRAND RECOGNITION only and the good will that comes with it?
Major Trump-Branded Ventures — status chart
| # | Business / Venture | Type (owned / licensed / JV) | Years (approx.) | Outcome | Notes / source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Trump University (aka The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative) | Owned / for-profit education venture | 2005–2010 (lawsuits through 2016–2018) | Shut down; legal settlement — Multiple civil suits and NY AG action; federal settlement ~$25M finalized 2018. | ABC News; Time. ABC News+1 |
| 2 | Trump Entertainment Resorts (Atlantic City casinos: Taj Mahal, Plaza, Marina, etc.) | Owned (casino operator / public co.) | 1995–2016 (company dissolved; properties closed/sold earlier) | Multiple bankruptcies; properties closed/sold; Taj Mahal closed 2016; company defunct. | Wikipedia (Trump Entertainment Resorts), reporting on closures. Wikipedia+1 |
| 3 | Trump Shuttle / Trump Airlines (the shuttle service) | Owned (air service JV/asset buy) | 1989–1992 (merged/sold) | Sold / merged into Shuttle, Inc. / ceased as Trump Shuttle | Wikipedia / historical airline reporting. Wikipedia |
| 4 | Trump Mortgage (Trump Mortgage LLC) | Owned (financial services) | 2005–2007 | Closed; failed operation; litigation/claims followed | Independent, Bloomberg reporting on closure and lawsuits. The Independent+1 |
| 5 | GoTrump.com (travel site) | Owned (web travel portal) | 2006–2007 | Shut down (ceased operations) | Wikipedia/Time reporting. Wikipedia+1 |
| 6 | Trump Vodka | Licensed brand (Drinks Americas) | 2005–c.2011 (US distribution) | Discontinued in US; effectively failed to gain distribution | Wikipedia / multiple analyses of product failure. Wikipedia |
| 7 | Trump Steaks | Licensed product (Sharper Image / QVC sales) | 2007 (very short) | Discontinued within months (poor sales) | Wikipedia / reporting on Sharper Image discontinuing line. Wikipedia |
| 8 | Trump Magazine (print / luxury magazine) | Owned/licensed (publishing) | 2007–2009 (various relaunch attempts) | Folded / ceased publication | New York Post / Time reporting. New York Post+1 |
| 9 | Trump: The Game (board game) | Licensed consumer product | 1989 (re-released 2004) | Poor sales; discontinued; reissue underperformed | Wikipedia / toy-industry reporting. Wikipedia |
| 10 | Trump Steakhouses / Restaurants (various branded venues) | Licensing & owned locations | 2007–2012 (various) | Several locations closed; some faced violations; brand line discontinued | Time / reporting on closures. TIME |
| 11 | Trump Ice (bottled water) | Licensed product / distribution | c.1995–c.2010 (wider distribution c.2003–2010) | Distribution scaled back / product discontinued (brand largely retired) | Wikipedia; Reuters fact check. Wikipedia+1 |
| 12 | Trump Mortgage Insurance / other small finance offshoots | Owned / affiliated | mid-2000s | Many closed or wound down during 2007–2008 period | Time / Bloomberg summaries. TIME+1 |
| 13 | Trump University / Trump Institute (related seminar brands) | Owned / affiliated | mid-2000s | Sued; rebranded; operations ended; legal settlements | American Progress / ABC / state AG reporting. Center for American Progress+1 |
| 14 | Trump: licensing deals for fragrances, ties, apparel (various branded products sold by licensees) | Licensing | 1990s–2010s | Many brand license lines were discontinued or scaled back; licensing revenue variable | Washington Post (brand licensing overview). Wikipedia |
| 15 | Trump International Hotel & Tower projects (certain foreign/condo ventures that stalled or were restructured) | Joint development / licensing | 1990s–2010s | Some projects stalled, restructured, sold or rebranded (not uniformly failures; many successful towers remain) | Investigative summaries (NYT/Investopedia). Wikipedia+1 |
| 16 | Trump Entertainment (various Atlantic City properties that bankrupted under company ownership) | Owned | 1990s–2016 | Multiple Chapter 11 filings for the casino business (company emerged then later folded/sold) | Wikipedia & news coverage of sequential bankruptcies. Wikipedia |
| 17 | Other short-lived product tie-ins (e.g., Trump Mortgage services, small food lines, novelty items) | Licensed/partner | 1990s–2010s | Many quietly discontinued or sold; often limited commercial success |
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The problem is i already disproved that as Trump TDS by cawacko as Trump related donors have been surging money into Cuomo to try and make him really win.
I know magats with TDS will spin that as him wanting Cuomo to lose and suggest 'money does not help someone win in politics' because they will get kicked from the cult if they say otherwise.
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Wait until there is a complete Communist in charge. Shithole city doesn't even begin to describe it.
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@cawacko is in the fetal position trying to reconcile a way he can look at that listed of BRANDED FAILURES above and find a way to say that proves success and how good Trump is at creating a brand.
cawacko can you name any other 'considered genius' "Branding guys" who you would say built a similar reputation of Branding Greatness on such a list of failures with no real signature enduring brand wins?
Steve Jobs? Walt Disney? Phil Knight (Nike)? Ray Krok (McDonalds), Richard Branson (Virgin), Howard Shultz (Starbucks), Martha Steward, etc?
How would you rank Trump amongst them when it comes building great brands in the way Great Brand Business men do?
cawacko can you name any other 'considered genius' "Branding guys" who you would say built a similar reputation of Branding Greatness on such a list of failures with no real signature enduring brand wins?
Steve Jobs? Walt Disney? Phil Knight (Nike)? Ray Krok (McDonalds), Richard Branson (Virgin), Howard Shultz (Starbucks), Martha Steward, etc?
How would you rank Trump amongst them when it comes building great brands in the way Great Brand Business men do?
cawacko
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Let’s just be clear what you're doing here QP. You're attempting to reframe my point into a straw man to "win" an argument I wasn't making.
I'll state it one more time. Trump is a brilliant marketer because despite all his failures he turned his personal brand into one that symbolized wealth and success. And he used that brand to help win the Presidency twice.
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Lets be clear as this post by you is what i have been replying to...
Trump is a shit marketer as his countless brand failures demonstrate. I have seen some data that he might be the biggest losing business man in American history in terms of brand failures and tax losses, for what is basically a solo entrepreneur.
I think what you are trying to say, and i would agree, is that 'despite Trump's brand being horrible and clearly associated with losing, Mark Burnett and The Apprentice TV show were able to introduce Trump to a US wide (world wide) audience, who largely did not know of his failures, as one of America's best branders and business men, in the early advent of Reality TV. Something without which there simply is no reason to believe Trump would have had any chance to run or even been solvent as he was heading into bankruptcy, from all reports, prior. And running as 'the guy not yet out of bankruptcy' would not have been a thing.
I say that with no hyperbole intended and wonder if you disagree with that framing and if so based on what?
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if Coumo won Trump would use him a foil too. If XYZ runs Trump will use them as a foil.
In a city as big and important as NYC, there was no escaping that reality so i am not sure what point you are making there.
That should not come as any surprise to anyone.
And it is you getting emotional so nice deflection. It is you trying to label reasoned and defended positions as TDS, simply because they are not complimentary of Trump. The positions you blanket label TDS are FAR MORE defensible than the more positive light positions you keep ascribing to Trump (4D chess (my short form) you give him over Mamdani and Marketing greatness). Do you honestly assess yourself and your natural default to see Trump failures in a positive way that any objective person would see as you spinning?
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Trump's lone skill, and i mean this sincerely, is his shameless willing to lie to anyone and everyone even if he has to tell someone one thing and the other person the exact opposite.
Elections worldwide have been a rejection of the parties in power and established politicians as a whole and Trump benefited from that by lying to his voters and telling them 'he was different and for them in a way prior politicians were not. That he would drain the swamp'.
he won because that lie was believed when in reality he has built the 'swamp' in ways we had never seen prior, inviting all of the biggest Oligarchs in America and the world directly into the WH power, as long as they give illegal payments to his family. All the while he is pushing tariffs as a way to impose a big tax on the MC and below so he can fund the Top 1% tax breaks.
So yes, he did outmaneuver other but not by fooling his opponents and by fooling those he mocked as the "poorly educated" that he mocked when saying "he could shoot someone and get away with it"... meaning he knew he owned them and could do anything illegal or not and they would stay with him.
Trump's lone skill, and i mean this sincerely, is his shameless willing to lie to anyone and everyone even if he has to tell someone one thing and the other person the exact opposite.
Elections worldwide have been a rejection of the parties in power and established politicians as a whole and Trump benefited from that by lying to his voters and telling them 'he was different and for them in a way prior politicians were not. That he would drain the swamp'.
he won because that lie was believed when in reality he has built the 'swamp' in ways we had never seen prior, inviting all of the biggest Oligarchs in America and the world directly into the WH power, as long as they give illegal payments to his family. All the while he is pushing tariffs as a way to impose a big tax on the MC and below so he can fund the Top 1% tax breaks.
So yes, he did outmaneuver other but not by fooling his opponents and by fooling those he mocked as the "poorly educated" that he mocked when saying "he could shoot someone and get away with it"... meaning he knew he owned them and could do anything illegal or not and they would stay with him.
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Why did so many of his real estate projects NOT go bankrupt?
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cawacko
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You’re overthinking this QP. I’m not spinning anything, just pointing out an obvious political reality. While Trump will attack any Democrat, he will go after a socialist much different than Cuomo. A socialist gives him a foil he can use nationally to paint the party as extreme. Cuomo doesn’t serve that purpose.
gfm7175
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He's also pretty good at real estate.
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And ISIS supports the Muslim
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Those of very low IQ don't know the mayor of NYC has no absolute power, he/she isn't king
There are an estimated 750,000 to 800,000 Muslims in New York City, which is about 9% of the city's population
There are an estimated 750,000 to 800,000 Muslims in New York City, which is about 9% of the city's population
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I agree with you if you mean i am thinking about it whereas you are not when it comes to Trump.
In your need to 'see all things Trump in some positive way' i have other news for you. Ready? Sit down?
It does not matter one iota if Mamdami is a real socialist, fake socialist or a capitalist as Trump WOULD 100% brand him as a socialist who is for they/them regardless of the truth of it.
Thjey ran almost entire campaign saying Kamala was for they 'they/them' and put trans issue at the top of her agenda when it was a complete lie with no basis in fact or truth.
If you think Trump needs a FACT or TRUTH based foil to weaponize you simply no nothing about Trump. Sorry. But you won't realize that if you do not 'think it', or 'over think it'. Just accepting what magat media says will not get anyone there.
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Trump's biggest failures were in 'real estate' if you mean as a developer which is why he pivoted away from building and owning and to just trying to sell his name and brand to others, until that too died.
So if you mean he is 'good at real estate in the same way he is good at running casino's', we agree.