Trump Desperately Tried To Get Pence To Illegally Steal Election

[Flash]

Argument of the Stone fallacy. I have already shown some of the evidence to you. You can't wish it away, dude.

And I have shown you some of Trump's lies. He did not even bother to check out the accusation or he would know they were false. But, he doesn't care if they are false because that would destroy his whole scam.

 

[LurchAddams]

LIF. No, you cannot project YOUR problems on the Republicans.

No. He was never elected.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again.

Already did. Pay attention. RQAA.

You're lying. You've posted zero evidence. The election's over Biden's president.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Lurch,

Not possible to effect change and no take part in politics. I think most people on the left who takes part in these forums might blow off steam in their posts, but when it comes down to it, would join any coalition with people on the right and foment compromise.

I think most people on the right who take part in these forums truly are full of hate. They way they promote guns while celebrating the loss of human rights. Most people on the right who take part in these forums I've found to be total assholes.
The alternative is another Civil War, and I feel most people, even if they "talk tough" about it, don't want that.

Probably an accurate assessment, with the exception of how I would refer to the right-oriented posters here, in deference to general respect. I would simply say they are disagreeable. I find it necessary to overlook their vehemence which, once displayed, prompts me to make them go poof from my pages.

It might be said I like to 'poof-read' this forum. Ahem.

Since I know so many people IRL, I wonder if the tough-guy stature here of Trump supporters is simply a fad, and imagine they could be divided into two general categories, the first being one of total hatred and refusal to even talk to anybody on the left without reverting to emotional outbursts and expression of hatred, and the second being putting up a front, and if you get them one on one in a face to face real life setting, they would act differently and be more polite.

I do know many Trump supporters personally IRL. Many have been friends since long before DJT entered politics. These are enduring friendships, too strong to be severed over a mere politician. Now, some of them can even talk politics deftly and support their popular one in a roundabout way, often utilizing softer forms of the evasive debate techniques seen here, whataboutism, subject-changing, tangents, fixation on minutia, etc. Others choose not to, and thus an agreement exists to simply not discuss politics, presumably because they would not be able to control themselves and find it difficult to render what they hear from Tucker Carlson about liberals, and their experience with personally known individuals of that persuasion.

One such recent discussion went a bit like this:

A: The election was not stolen. It has been certified.

B: But there were election irregularities which bring it into question.

A: No, there is no question about it. Biden won.

B: (ignores the conclusion - won't acknowledge it was even said - goes on about election irregularities)

And so on...

 

[LurchAddams]

Hello Lurch,



Probably an accurate assessment, with the exception of how I would refer to the right-oriented posters here, in deference to general respect. I would simply say they are disagreeable. I find it necessary to overlook their vehemence which, once displayed, prompts me to make them go poof from my pages.

It might be said I like to 'poof-read' this forum. Ahem.

Since I know so many people IRL, I wonder if the tough-guy stature here of Trump supporters is simply a fad, and imagine they could be divided into two general categories, the first being one of total hatred and refusal to even talk to anybody on the left without reverting to emotional outbursts and expression of hatred, and the second being putting up a front, and if you get them one on one in a face to face real life setting, they would act differently and be more polite.

I do know many Trump supporters personally IRL. Many have been friends since long before DJT entered politics. These are enduring friendships, too strong to be severed over a mere politician. Now, some of them can even talk politics deftly and support their popular one in a roundabout way, often utilizing softer forms of the evasive debate techniques seen here, whataboutism, subject-changing, tangents, fixation on minutia, etc. Others choose not to, and thus an agreement exists to simply not discuss politics, presumably because they would not be able to control themselves and find it difficult to render what they hear from Tucker Carlson about liberals, and their experience with personally known individuals of that persuasion.

One such recent discussion went a bit like this:

A: The election was not stolen. It has been certified.

B: But there were election irregularities which bring it into question.

A: No, there is no question about it. Biden won.

B: (ignores the conclusion - won't acknowledge it was even said - goes on about election irregularities)

And so on...

I have some life long friends who are trump voters as well. We just don't talk about politics and if we do, it's a quick joke.

 

[Into the Night]

And I have shown you some of Trump's lies.

You never did, liar.

He did not even bother to check out the accusation or he would know they were false.

Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

But, he doesn't care if they are false because that would destroy his whole scam.

Void argument fallacy. There is no 'scam'.

 

[Into the Night]

You're lying. You've posted zero evidence. The election's over Biden's president.

Lie. RQAA. Argument of the Stone fallacy. There was no election. Biden wasn't elected. YOU don't get to certify elections or choose the electors for any State. You're not going to make Biden President just by saying so!

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Lurch,



Probably an accurate assessment, with the exception of how I would refer to the right-oriented posters here, in deference to general respect. I would simply say they are disagreeable. I find it necessary to overlook their vehemence which, once displayed, prompts me to make them go poof from my pages.

It might be said I like to 'poof-read' this forum. Ahem.

Since I know so many people IRL, I wonder if the tough-guy stature here of Trump supporters is simply a fad, and imagine they could be divided into two general categories, the first being one of total hatred and refusal to even talk to anybody on the left without reverting to emotional outbursts and expression of hatred, and the second being putting up a front, and if you get them one on one in a face to face real life setting, they would act differently and be more polite.

I do know many Trump supporters personally IRL. Many have been friends since long before DJT entered politics. These are enduring friendships, too strong to be severed over a mere politician. Now, some of them can even talk politics deftly and support their popular one in a roundabout way, often utilizing softer forms of the evasive debate techniques seen here, whataboutism, subject-changing, tangents, fixation on minutia, etc. Others choose not to, and thus an agreement exists to simply not discuss politics, presumably because they would not be able to control themselves and find it difficult to render what they hear from Tucker Carlson about liberals, and their experience with personally known individuals of that persuasion.

One such recent discussion went a bit like this:

A: The election was not stolen. It has been certified.

B: But there were election irregularities which bring it into question.

A: No, there is no question about it. Biden won.

B: (ignores the conclusion - won't acknowledge it was even said - goes on about election irregularities)

And so on...

You can't make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear that way!

 

[PoliTalker]

Now we will get the input of Pat Cipollone on Trump's efforts to get Pence to hand him the election.

Next Select Committee Hearing is on Tuesday 10AM.

 

[Earl]

The Democrats tried desperately to steal the 2020 elections...and succeeded.

When are the hearings?

After the red wave in November.

 

[Flash]

You never did, liar.

Sure I did. On the night after the election Trump made a speech and made accusations of fraud:

1. Nobody ever won Ohio and lost the presidency. (which does not show fraud but a variation from patterns). That was a lie
2. No Republican ever lost a seat in Congress while I was on the ticket. Another lie
3. Some counties had more votes cast that registered voters. Another lie.

The first two can be debunked in five minutes. Trump obviously did not bother to check these facts (or his fact checkers). The third can obviously be checked and proven false. These were just a few of his hundreds of lies.

Trump did not need to check the facts because he knew his supporters would believe anything he said (except that the virus was effective). They want to believe his lies because 1) it is a conspiracy theory 2) they can't accept their side losing. The scam is trying to stop the electoral college vote while collecting $250 million in election defense contributions.

 

[Truth Detector]

The states had already ensured there was no fraud and they still haven't found any.

There hasn't been any serious effort to review the ballots nor can there be when jurists allow mail in balloting in direct violation of states laws.

There was a procedure to challenge accepting a state's electoral votes and the Republicans did not have the support to do that for any state.

That is due to Trump hating Rinos, the phony media and Democratic Party of the Lying Jackasses desire to bury the truth and avoid any kind of review to determine whether the massive amount of mail in ballots were authentic.

Go back to sleep now. We're done.

I find it very difficult to believe that an incompetent, unaccomplished, senile 79 year old racist could win with 80 million votes, bettering Obama by 15,367,303 votes. A guy who could barely fill a thimble of supporters at rallies and rarely came out of the basement or remember what office he was actually running for.

I find it very difficult to believe that Trump, garnering 74,222,958 votes, which beat a much more popular Obama by 8.307,163 votes and who had massive, enthusiastic crowds at his events, could lose an election by 7,060,140 votes.

I find it difficult to believe that Trump, who bettered his 2016 election WIN by 11,237,852 votes and would still lose.

I find it difficult to believe that a election turnout for Obama was 57.1% and 9.2% lower than this election at 66.3%. That's the highest turnout for a boring candidate in the history of the Republic.
Turnout increased in every state and in 98 percent of the nation’s counties.

 

[Truth Detector]

It never existed. It is too easy to show Trump lied. Those who believed him never bothered to check the evidence.

I find it very difficult to believe that an incompetent, unaccomplished, senile 79 year old racist could win with 80 million votes, bettering Obama by 15,367,303 votes. A guy who could barely fill a thimble of supporters at rallies and rarely came out of the basement or remember what office he was actually running for.

I find it very difficult to believe that Trump, garnering 74,222,958 votes, which beat a much more popular Obama by 8.307,163 votes and who had massive, enthusiastic crowds at his events, could lose an election by 7,060,140 votes.

I find it difficult to believe that Trump, who bettered his 2016 election WIN by 11,237,852 votes and would still lose.

I find it difficult to believe that a election turnout for Obama was 57.1% and 9.2% lower than this election at 66.3%. That's the highest turnout for a boring candidate in the history of the Republic.
Turnout increased in every state and in 98 percent of the nation’s counties.

Evidence? It's all above. Of course, Trump hating loons will wish him away and pretend that this was the "Biden miracle."

 

[Truth Detector]

Sure I did. On the night after the election Trump made a speech and made accusations of fraud:

1. Nobody ever won Ohio and lost the presidency. (which does not show fraud but a variation from patterns). That was a lie

Wrong again dipshit. The statement is, "No Republican has become President without winning Ohio" That's a FACT snowflake.

https://usawire.com/no-republican-has-become-president-without-winning-ohio/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...20-donald-trump-vs-joe-biden-ohio/6153774002/

2. No Republican ever lost a seat in Congress while I was on the ticket. Another lie

LINK to this false claim snowflake. By the way, a lie is when you say something knowing it is false. If it is someone's opinion, it is not a lie. It is a misstatement of fact. For instance, Trump saying the election was stolen. That's not a lie. He actually believes that.

3. Some counties had more votes cast that registered voters. Another lie.

According to Statista, there were 168.51 million registered voters in 2020. https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/

Let's do some basic math:

Biden got 81,286,365 votes. A massive record. Far greater than the more popular Obama got.
Trump got 74,225,845 votes.
Dr. Jo Jorgensen got 1,865,616 votes.
Howie Hawkins got 406,687 votes.
OTHER = 806,381 votes.

TOTAL = 158,590,894 votes cast. That means that 94% of registered voters cast votes. Gee, that only happens in dictatorships and third world shit holes snowflake.

I know, it was a miracle right snowflake?

The first two can be debunked in five minutes. Trump obviously did not bother to check these facts (or his fact checkers). The third can obviously be checked and proven false. These were just a few of his hundreds of lies.

You debunk yourself every time you post snowflake, as evidenced above.

Trump did not need to check the facts because he knew his supporters would believe anything he said (except that the virus was effective). They want to believe his lies because 1) it is a conspiracy theory 2) they can't accept their side losing. The scam is trying to stop the electoral college vote while collecting $250 million in election defense contributions.

No snowflake, he had the facts and stated what would happen if Biden got elected. He has been right almost ALL the time. Fools who gobble the lies of the DNC and PHONY media are the ones lacking any facts. Now run along.

 

[Flash]

I find it very difficult to believe that an incompetent, unaccomplished, senile 79 year old racist could win with 80 million votes, bettering Obama by 15,367,303 votes. A guy who could barely fill a thimble of supporters at rallies and rarely came out of the basement or remember what office he was actually running for.

I find it very difficult to believe that Trump, garnering 74,222,958 votes, which beat a much more popular Obama by 8.307,163 votes and who had massive, enthusiastic crowds at his events, could lose an election by 7,060,140 votes.

I find it difficult to believe that Trump, who bettered his 2016 election WIN by 11,237,852 votes and would still lose.

I find it difficult to believe that a election turnout for Obama was 57.1% and 9.2% lower than this election at 66.3%. That's the highest turnout for a boring candidate in the history of the Republic.
Turnout increased in every state and in 98 percent of the nation’s counties.

Evidence? It's all above. Of course, Trump hating loons will wish him away and pretend that this was the "Biden miracle."

Biden got all those votes because his opponent proved to be a liar. You can't predict votes based on people attending a rally. Turnout was very high because everybody showed up to vote to get rid of Trump.

Biden won in 2020 the same way Trump won in 2016. Clinton had a big lead and "in the middle of the night" his votes in the crucial swing states gave him just enough to win:

Michigan: 0.2%
Pennsylvania: 0.7%
Wisconsin: 0.8%

Trump's supporters believed this could happen in 2016 but not 2020. They still cannot prove one accusation (including Biden staying his basement).

Trump was the RINO: he was never a Republican, contributed to all the major Democratic candidates (both Clintons, Harris), was pro-choice, and stuck to no conservative principles while in office.

 

[Truth Detector]

Biden got all those votes because his opponent proved to be a liar.

Once again you fail and avoid the point being made. You're a dishonest hack and clueless. I am stunned that you were a teacher. But it does explain why we are graduating uneducated idiots.

According to Statista, there were 168.51 million registered voters in 2020. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...united-states/

Let's do some basic math:

Biden got 81,286,365 votes. A massive record. Far greater than the more popular Obama got.
Trump got 74,225,845 votes.
Dr. Jo Jorgensen got 1,865,616 votes.
Howie Hawkins got 406,687 votes.
OTHER = 806,381 votes.

TOTAL = 158,590,894 votes cast. That means that 94% of registered voters cast votes. Gee, that only happens in dictatorships and third world shit holes snowflake.

I know, it was a miracle right snowflake?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

Sure I did. On the night after the election Trump made a speech and made accusations of fraud:

1. Nobody ever won Ohio and lost the presidency. (which does not show fraud but a variation from patterns). That was a lie
2. No Republican ever lost a seat in Congress while I was on the ticket. Another lie
3. Some counties had more votes cast that registered voters. Another lie.

The first two can be debunked in five minutes. Trump obviously did not bother to check these facts (or his fact checkers). The third can obviously be checked and proven false. These were just a few of his hundreds of lies.

Trump did not need to check the facts because he knew his supporters would believe anything he said (except that the virus was effective). They want to believe his lies because 1) it is a conspiracy theory 2) they can't accept their side losing. The scam is trying to stop the electoral college vote while collecting $250 million in election defense contributions.

The alleged number of votes discrepancy was addressed in the second hearing.

1:29:43

"HE MIXED APPLES AND ORANGES AND TOOK THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND HE COMPARED IT TO THE NUMBER OF ABSENTEE VOTES CAST IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. "

 

[Flash]

Wrong again dipshit. The statement is, "No Republican has become President without winning Ohio" That's a FACT snowflake.

https://usawire.com/no-republican-has-become-president-without-winning-ohio/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/03/election-2020-donald-trump-vs-joe-biden-ohio/6153774002/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...20-donald-trump-vs-joe-biden-ohio/6153774002/

Wrong. Let's use Trump's own words (I was paraphrasing based on memory):

“No candidate has ever won both Florida and Ohio and lost. I won them both, by a lot!


— President Trump,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336691981981016066

, Dec. 9, 2020


“President Trump prevailed on nearly every historical indicia of success in presidential elections. For example, he won both Florida and Ohio; no candidate in history—Republican or Democrat—has ever lost the election after winning both States.”


— Trump attorney John C. Eastman, in a filing to the Supreme Court, Dec. 9, 2020




You can check his tweets and this was a lie. Any idiot can check to determine that this was false.

 

[Truth Detector]

Wrong. Let's use Trump's own words (I was paraphrasing based on memory):

“No candidate has ever won both Florida and Ohio and lost. I won them both, by a lot!

What he meant was "NO REPUBLICAN candidate" snowflake. I know you want to pound your tiny little fists on the table and proclaim Trump a liar, but apparently, it is YOU who wants to lie all the time.

I get it. Trump has you triggered and you cannot think straight or post a fact about the man. Perhaps you should seek the help of a mental health specialists for that severe case of TDS you have.

Meanwhile, Trump was right on just about everything and Biden continues to get NOTHING right. You must be proud of your vote for Biden.

 

[Flash]

Once again you fail and avoid the point being made. You're a dishonest hack and clueless. I am stunned that you were a teacher. But it does explain why we are graduating uneducated idiots.

According to Statista, there were 168.51 million registered voters in 2020. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...united-states/

Let's do some basic math:

Biden got 81,286,365 votes. A massive record. Far greater than the more popular Obama got.
Trump got 74,225,845 votes.
Dr. Jo Jorgensen got 1,865,616 votes.
Howie Hawkins got 406,687 votes.
OTHER = 806,381 votes.

TOTAL = 158,590,894 votes cast. That means that 94% of registered voters cast votes. Gee, that only happens in dictatorships and third world shit holes snowflake.

I know, it was a miracle right snowflake?

Sources that updated these numbers proved this argument was false. As usual, you will choose the false data that tries to support your side.

Don't use Statistica. Count the total number of registered voters as reported by each state after they updated the data. The state total is 213,768,003registered voters, not 168 million.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state

 

[Into the Night]

Sure I did. On the night after the election Trump made a speech and made accusations of fraud:

You didn't then either. You are hallucinating.

1. Nobody ever won Ohio and lost the presidency. (which does not show fraud but a variation from patterns). That was a lie

By Democrats.

2. No Republican ever lost a seat in Congress while I was on the ticket. Another lie

By Democrats.

3. Some counties had more votes cast that registered voters. Another lie.

No lie. This happened in several counties.

The first two can be debunked in five minutes.

What's to debunk? Democrat lies????!?

Trump obviously did not bother to check these facts

Learn what 'fact' means.

(or his fact checkers).

No such thing.

The third can obviously be checked and proven false.

No. It happened. It's on record.

These were just a few of his hundreds of lies.

What lies?

Trump did not need to check the facts

Learn what 'fact' means.

because he knew his supporters would believe anything he said

No, they are not mindless robots like Democrats are.

(except that the virus was effective).

Effective??????????!? That doesn't even make sense!

They want to believe his lies because 1) it is a conspiracy theory

The Democrat Party is a conspiracy.

2) they can't accept their side losing.

Can't lose what never took place!

The scam is trying to stop the electoral college vote

There WAS NO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE. There was no electoral college to vote! Seven States never chose their electors!

while collecting $250 million in election defense contributions.

Argument from randU fallacy. Making up numbers and using them as data is a fallacy, dude.