Trump Calls for complete shutdown of muslims immigrating to America

Truth Detector said:
The real issue surrounding Trump is not Trump at all, but how obviously fed up American's are growing of the political class, regardless of whether it is for the right reasons.
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This part I agree with. Most of his support comes from a very surprisingly central political view, these people are angry, not far right or left. Unwilling to go to vote what they see as "too far right" or "communist" and are willing to be convinced by populist ideas and find his unfiltered mouth "refreshing"...
 
philly rabbit said:
Trump has beaten the media, owns the media, and has turned the entire liberal establishment upside down. The GOP talking heads are astounded that the sheep aren't turning on the Donald, they, the voters, are in total defiance of the experts.

We are witnessing a revolution and the voters driving it are sick and tired of GOP establishment types lying to them to garner their votes.

They are now threatening a brokered convention to stop Trump at all costs.

It's looking more and more like Trump - Cruz or possibly Cruz - Trump.
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I think it's because a large part of the voting public are tired of being talked to in "political speech" and being lied to.
 
Jarod said:
Prohibiting the entry into this nation of all Muslims is prohibiting the free exercise of Islam. You are not free to exercise Islam in the United States if you are outside the United States.

I do have to agree with you on one point you have made, and that is the right, like all other rights is not absolute. The Supreme Court has been balancing and limiting all rights for over a hundred and fifty years. With regard to Religion and the absoluteness of the right to free exercise type "Lemon Test" into google.

The LEMON TEST is a test the S.Ct. uses to determine 1) if a law is promoting the establishment of religion and 2) when it is okay for a law to curtail the ABSOLUTE right to free exercise of religion.

You should also study the Sherbert test, read Sherbert v. Verner.
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You are totally wrong; because there was nothing said about limiting those within the US from exercising their right to believe and the ones outside the US are still able to exercise their right to their belief.

And there is absolutely nothing that says they have to come to the US, to practice their belief.

You're just trying to make it look like your some word smith and failing.
 
Jarod said:
I agree, but you are one of the VERY few on this board that understand this. You can explain it to them all day, I have, and they still refuse to understand it.
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You appear to be "backing away" from previous comments.
Are you now going to admit that you're "backing away"?
 
cawacko said:
After a certain point though what is that going to do? Considering ISIS is killing other Muslims I don't think they necessarily care what other Muslims think.

I don't know if this is an apt analogy or not but take Donald Trump and Republicans. I'm a Republican and I don't like Trump and what he's doing to the party. I had someone tell me I should tell people I know how wrong Trump is. I can do that but there's obviously no guarantee they'll listen and take heed and in the case with Trump the more his backers hear other Republicans say they're wrong for backing him the stronger his support gets. It almost has an opposite effect.
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This is why WE are sick and tired of voting for your candidates. We might as well vote for Democrats.

You are a liberal republican straight out of the mold of the eastern liberal establishment and as long as we vote, you're good with it. Now the time has come for us to tell you who to vote for and it is about friggin' time.You moderates do nothing but cater to liberals. Your own statement that the country is economically right is laughable.

Look who's thanking you under your statement. You cannot stop supporting left wing ideas to solve problems.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I think it's because a large part of the voting public are tired of being talked to in "political speech" and being lied to.
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Well let's also consider this. Trump doesn't need a lifetime appointment in Washington DC with a killer pension. He's already a billionaire. We know this.

No one is more qualified to flush out DC. A Trump - Cruz ticket will shake the very foundations of this country's entire liberal culture.
 
Mr Trump believes, doubtless, that he can force the Muslim world to pay for and build a wall all round America. Pity about the bloody sea!
 
philly rabbit said:
This is why WE are sick and tired of voting for your candidates. We might as well vote for Democrats.

You are a liberal republican straight out of the mold of the eastern liberal establishment and as long as we vote, you're good with it. Now the time has come for us to tell you who to vote for and it is about friggin' time.You moderates do nothing but cater to liberals. Your own statement that the country is economically right is laughable.

Look who's thanking you under your statement. You cannot stop supporting left wing ideas to solve problems.
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Vote 4 Trump
 
philly rabbit said:
This is why WE are sick and tired of voting for your candidates. We might as well vote for Democrats.

You are a liberal republican straight out of the mold of the eastern liberal establishment and as long as we vote, you're good with it. Now the time has come for us to tell you who to vote for and it is about friggin' time.You moderates do nothing but cater to liberals. Your own statement that the country is economically right is laughable.

Look who's thanking you under your statement. You cannot stop supporting left wing ideas to solve problems.
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The irony of this statement. I'm a liberal because I don't support the former liberal Trump? This guy has nothing to do with conservatism. This guy was pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro gun control, pro higher taxes, pro Hillary Clinton who just changed all his positions out of opportunism.

You are so full of shit PR.
 
Damocles said:
All law has something to do with the constitution. Congress has the power over immigration and naturalization. Any law they make using that power that directly is against specific limitations set upon them, such as the Bill of Rights, would be a violation. Even if we think it has "zero" to do with that particular thing.

Government limiting anything based on "you are of this religion" would be a violation of the 1st. "No law" means No law... Even if it seems reasonable, it is a risk we take on in order to have that specific freedom. Freedom has a cost, the least of the cost is risk. This is one of the cases where we pay the cost so that we may be free.


As I said, it would be constitutional to say, "no people from this region until we can figure it out", but it will never be constitutional to add a religious codicil... "you cannot come here if you are pagan"...
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The federal government can prevent people from entering due to conduct that would be legal and constitutional were they in America (for instance, they prevented many Communists from Europe from visiting during the Cold War).
 
SmilinJack said:
Why are my threads so popular? Because I understand the American Mind and what it thinks is most important.....and most Americans do not want muslims in America. Islam is a ancient pagan religion that is intolerant to all other beliefs and its members....at least the devout ones...can not assimilate aka cannot integrate into modern life....they are rooted in their culture and their satannic religion...it really is that simple folks....most Americans understand this....the effete liberal academics do not want to believe this and they do their best to indoctrinate their captive audience(students) into believing and going along with them...if they do not....they will not get good scores in the liberals classrooms.
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Muslims have been in this country since the beginning. They're just the latest target of bigotry and hatred.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Yeah, but preaching against Islam is considered 'hate'. Is there a problem with churches advocating violence against Muslims? And do you have any numbers?
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^ Yes, there's a problem with any church advocating violence against any people. This isn't limited to Muslims.

There's a problem with people advocating violence against other people and that's been alive and well in this country for centuries.
 
Trump is not incredibly popular. He has 30% of 30% of America about 12 months before the election. What is that, 9% of the country? That's nothing. Don't use internal polls of your party members to validate a candidates popularity, that's stupidity.
 
Inciting violence against Muslims is unlawful, that was what Loretta Lynch said. Of course rightists, who desparately want to lynch all minorities and all brown people in the country, stretch her words and omit the "violence" part to fuel their persecution complex.
 
philly rabbit said:
Well let's also consider this. Trump doesn't need a lifetime appointment in Washington DC with a killer pension. He's already a billionaire. We know this.

No one is more qualified to flush out DC. A Trump - Cruz ticket will shake the very foundations of this country's entire liberal culture.
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I guess you're forgetting about the three branches of government. There's very little Trump could do on his own.
 
Rana said:
What would you have moderate Muslims do that has not been done already or is being done? They have denounced the actions of these terrorists and they also have cooperated with authorities.

They aren't sitting back, that is just your ignorant misconception.
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Anytime moderate Muslims protest against this it is ignored by the rightist dominated press, because it's not the story they want to hear. That's why these people living in their echo chamber can say things like "Why aren't moderate Muslims protesting?" with a straight face.
 
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