Trump and Putin meet

trying to engage China is probably a waste.
The Chinese are infamous for nodding their heads in agreement,and then doing WTF they want to.

Syria depends on the partys involved.
at first they wouldn't even meet in the same room -calling each other "terrorists".
They've at least got past that -but they did it under Russian auspice,not Kerry.

Russia can't just install a puppet. There are too many players involved.
But we can (maybe) try to keep out the worst of the AQ influenced Islamists (al Nusra Front, etc)
if not get a secularist..

One that last point both we and Russia agree
 
US, Russia offer contradictory versions of conversation about election tampering


Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters that Trump had accepted Putin’s denial of tampering in the US election.

US secretary of state Rex Tillerson, however, offered a different picture. He told reporters that it was not clear whether the two countries would ever come to a resolution on the question of election interference.

Tillerson said that Trump had pressed Putin more than once about Russian involvement in election tampering, and Putin denied Russian tampering.

Here’s the Guardian’s Shaun Walker with more on Lavrov’s statement:



An unusually irritable Sergei Lavrov took questions from the Russian media. It sounded like there had been few major breakthroughs.

The most interesting part was his claim that Trump had told Putin he found it “strange” that there was a “campaign” over alleged Russian hacking in the election as there has been no proof.

Lavrov claims Trump told Putin he had heard his entreaties that Russia did not hack the election and accepts them.

That’s at odds with Rex Tillerson’s account of a fundamental disagreement
 
Tillerson: Trump wants to move past election tampering


Tillerson said he thinks Trump “is rightly focused on how do we move forward from something that may be an intractable disagreement at this point,” the AP reports.


The “intractable disagreement” being conflicting Russian and US views on who tampered with the US election.

The Russian side says Trump accepted Putin’s denial of tampering.

US intelligence agencies have warned that Russia will keep up efforts to interfere in US and other elections, and that a failure to acknowledge the tampering makes the United States more vulnerable to future tampering
 
Tillerson:
Trump warned Putin on pending sanctions by the Senate

But both want to move forward ( "not dismissing the issue") but both want to move forward to repair the relationship
from what is now an "intractible disagreement " ( hacking)

discussion of Syrian cease fire,and peace process
 
Russia's tactics and pace are different on NK -but both US and Russia have same policy (non-nuclear NK)

China takes steps then "pauses" on NK ( Tillerson) . sanctions on entities doing bussiness with NK are pending
China "takes note"

Tillerson sez that we are not going to just sit idly by,and will follow steps to conclusion
 
past the point of NK "freezing" their program..not acceptable..
++

agreed to working follow up low level talks on cyber-security, noplan or face to face again.
Tillerson there was "good chemistry" -not a lot of "relitigating the past".

This is a REALLY important relationship how do we start making this work? go forward with this complicated relationship

They met and got along quickly, FLOTUS came in to see if she could get the meeting over!

But they engaged on many issues..

Very lengthly time on Syria, on how we see Syria going..Tillerson we have commonality of views-
question is oftactics
 
now there was a handshake of two real leaders,
men with resolve, intelligence and understanding that the other means his shit too.

maybe since Roosevelt and Patton have we not seen such a historic, strong Handshake
 
2 1/2hour meeting. canceled the meeting with Teresa May till tomorrow.

the usual about "frank open discussions" Both Lavrov and Tillerson say very productive
(separate news conferences)

"de-escalation" zone in SW Syria included Jordan. trying to wind down (Damascus)..

( now watch the Russiaphobes go crazy on the agreement)
 
Getin the ring said:
now there was a handshake of two real leaders,
men with resolve, intelligence and understanding that the other means his shit too.

maybe since Roosevelt and Patton have we not seen such a historic, strong Handshake
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definitely they acted like adults who have major disagreements,but see the importance of advancing the realtionship
 
"This is our 1st indication of the U.S. & Russia being able to work together in Syria," Tillerson says of ceasefire

-secure Syrian ceasefire -open channel on Ukraine -start working group on cybersecurity -name new ambassadors

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southern city of Deraa, Syria June 22, 2017.

Deraa province, on the border with Jordan, and Quneitra, which borders the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, they said.

Backed by Russian air power, Assad has regained ground in the last year that he lost to the mostly Sunni Muslim rebels earlier in the conflict.

The Syrian army has in recent months escalated its strikes in the southwestern city of Deraa in a campaign to reach the border with Jordan and wrest full control of the city.
 
anatta said:
"This is our 1st indication of the U.S. & Russia being able to work together in Syria," Tillerson says of ceasefire

-secure Syrian ceasefire -open channel on Ukraine -start working group on cybersecurity -name new ambassadors

r

southern city of Deraa, Syria June 22, 2017.

Deraa province, on the border with Jordan, and Quneitra, which borders the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, they said.

Backed by Russian air power, Assad has regained ground in the last year that he lost to the mostly Sunni Muslim rebels earlier in the conflict.

The Syrian army has in recent months escalated its strikes in the southwestern city of Deraa in a campaign to reach the border with Jordan and wrest full control of the city.
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I'd call that a win.
 
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