Trump admin reverses ban on lead ammo

i always thought it was to discourage hunting by making you use more expensive stuff.

And fishing. Whether intended or not this is what happens when radical environmentalists have the wheel. Notice I used the adjective "radical" much like it can be used with Christianity, Islam, conservative, etc. Just being an environmentalist isn't a bad thing. I consider myself to be an environmentalist.
 
Ahhh, my narrow minded little fool. Who manufactures lead goods, and what is the chain from raw material to final product?

Fascinating; the most toxic thing man can manufacture are the batteries to run "green" cars and the solar industry and you low information twits are worried about the lead in bullets.

Liberals truly are the dumbest liars on the planet.
 
Most dishonest post of the year award.

Most damage to birds is caused by sinkers, not shot which has been illegal for 26 years.

Another idiot claim; that birds eat lead sinkers used for fishing.

You leftist liars really are THAT fucking dumb.
 
Tsuke needs to learn to thread ban the prolific leftist dimwits that infest this forum with their special brand of stupid and troll threads with their lunatic nonsense.
 
And fishing. Whether intended or not this is what happens when radical environmentalists have the wheel. Notice I used the adjective "radical" much like it can be used with Christianity, Islam, conservative, etc. Just being an environmentalist isn't a bad thing. I consider myself to be an environmentalist.

Absolutely incorrect and surprisingly ignorant coming from you
 
Now hunters and fisherman will have a "choice" to use green ammo/weights.

Should make for some great marketing opportunities.
 
Absolutely incorrect and surprisingly ignorant coming from you

I posted before reading the whole thread. When I did read the rest I figured you'd have a response...and I understand some of your points. But I do think there is often a radical approach to environmental law that ends up consting the consumer/user, often times unnecessarily.

As a person who grew up poor I know that if laws were in place that some would like to put into place concerning lead bullets and shot (or fishing sinkers also) I would not have been able to participate in the activities that became my passion [at least not legally], and quite frankly, worked with family to get me through some low times and added motivation for me to do more than just make a living.

Now I can do all of those things comfortably regardless of the regulations ... but I work with kids who are just like I was. I encourage them to hunt and fish, I take them hunting and fishing ... all the while talking about doing it legally. Many of them are brought up thinking it's ok to poach. My hope is to instill in them the same passion for the outdoors that has been a very positive influence on my life. I work with Oklahoma legislators to keep the costs down in any way we can, from licensing to providing free hunting/fishing days, to guiding the poorer kids on fishing derbys or tournaments, guiding on youth hunts, etc.

When we see bald eagles and red tail hawks or others elegant birds of prey I explain the reduction in the use of lead shot and how that has helped those birds make a comeback. But I fail to see how banning lead bullets, shot one at a time in the field, or lead shot for small game hunting (I'm an avid small game hunter and have used 24 410 shells on rabbits and less than 50 copper coated 22 bullets on squirrels this year) would have a significant impact on the environment.

So you see I am not "all in" on the banning of all lead for hunting and fishing. Weighing the cost and the environmental impact, at least from what I've researched and read, I'm not convinced such a ban is needed.
 
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Now hunters and fisherman will have a "choice" to use green ammo/weights.

Should make for some great marketing opportunities.
Obviously you do neither. Some states have outlawed lead sinkers many years ago. Sure...tin doesn't work nearly as well, so you just use two of them if you need to.
 
I posted before reading the whole thread. When I did read the rest I figured you'd have a response...and I understand some of your points. But I do think there is often a radical approach to environmental law that ends up consting the consumer/user, often times unnecessarily.

As a person who grew up poor I know that if laws were in place that some would like to put into place concerning lead bullets and shot (or fishing sinkers also) I would not have been able to participate in the activities that became my passion [at least not legally], and quite frankly, worked with family to get me through some low times and added motivation for me to do more than just make a living.

Now I can do all of those things comfortably regardless of the regulations ... but I work with kids who are just like I was. I encourage them to hunt and fish, I take them hunting and fishing ... all the while talking about doing it legally. Many of them are brought up thinking it's ok to poach. My hope is to instill in them the same passion for the outdoors that has been a very positive influence on my life. I work with Oklahoma legislators to keep the costs down in any way we can, from licensing to providing free hunting/fishing days, to guiding the poorer kids on fishing derbys or tournaments, guiding on youth hunts, etc.

When we see bald eagles and red tail hawks or others elegant birds of prey I explain the reduction in the use of lead shot and how that has helped those birds make a comeback. But I fail to see how banning lead bullets, shot one at a time in the field, or lead shot for small game hunting (I'm an avid small game hunter and have used 24 410 shells on rabbits and less than 50 copper coated 22 bullets on squirrels this year) would have a significant impact on the environment.

So you see I am not "all in" on the banning of all lead for hunting and fishing. Weighing the cost and the environmental impact, at least from what I've researched and read, I'm not convinced such a ban is needed.

Read about the loons in New England,
The Mute Swans in England
The Condors and bald eagles on the west coast,
Diving ducks and geese anywhere.
Research the staggering number of tons of lead sinkers sold in the US every year.

I have seen a fellow with an old spark plug for sinker fill a bucket with fish in half an hour.
I have used asorted hardware, nuts, washers even bolts or stones for sinkers.
There is no need for lead sinkers.
 
I posted before reading the whole thread. When I did read the rest I figured you'd have a response...and I understand some of your points. But I do think there is often a radical approach to environmental law that ends up consting the consumer/user, often times unnecessarily.

As a person who grew up poor I know that if laws were in place that some would like to put into place concerning lead bullets and shot (or fishing sinkers also) I would not have been able to participate in the activities that became my passion [at least not legally], and quite frankly, worked with family to get me through some low times and added motivation for me to do more than just make a living.

Now I can do all of those things comfortably regardless of the regulations ... but I work with kids who are just like I was. I encourage them to hunt and fish, I take them hunting and fishing ... all the while talking about doing it legally. Many of them are brought up thinking it's ok to poach. My hope is to instill in them the same passion for the outdoors that has been a very positive influence on my life. I work with Oklahoma legislators to keep the costs down in any way we can, from licensing to providing free hunting/fishing days, to guiding the poorer kids on fishing derbys or tournaments, guiding on youth hunts, etc.

When we see bald eagles and red tail hawks or others elegant birds of prey I explain the reduction in the use of lead shot and how that has helped those birds make a comeback. But I fail to see how banning lead bullets, shot one at a time in the field, or lead shot for small game hunting (I'm an avid small game hunter and have used 24 410 shells on rabbits and less than 50 copper coated 22 bullets on squirrels this year) would have a significant impact on the environment.

So you see I am not "all in" on the banning of all lead for hunting and fishing. Weighing the cost and the environmental impact, at least from what I've researched and read, I'm not convinced such a ban is needed.
As metals work their way up the food chain, they get more concentrated in the blood/meat, and more toxic. Mercury is the best example. A lot goes on that we don't see. I'm an avid fisherman too, especially through the ice. I've been catching trout with stomachs full of plastic bait, no doubt discarded by bass fishermen. Of course, not one bass fisherman that I know will admit to tossing the spent worms/grubs/etc overboard.

Nevertheless, with new scents/tastes/colors, hungry fish are sucking them off the bottom of the lake. The same example could be used for lead sinkers that come off of the lines. Wading birds, or fish will consume them, and then get consumed by the next level of the food chain.

And then we have to consider the environmental factors of mining/smelting, etc, just to bring these products to the market.
 
Obviously you do neither. Some states have outlawed lead sinkers many years ago. Sure...tin doesn't work nearly as well, so you just use two of them if you need to.

Obviously, you can't grasp the concept of "choice".
 
Few tire weights are made of lead anymore, most are zinc and steel.
Zinc doesn't make good bullets, not dense enough.
Scrap roof flashing is far better.

Most of them bought a lot of them years ago and just stockpiled them, when the ban of lead was being discussed.
 
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