True or false?

[Guns Guns Guns]

No. Just life sentences for the ones that would be "too dangerous" to exercise a right to own and bear arms that "shall not be infringed".

Who would that be? What specific felonies would merit life without parole?


How would the mass life incarcerations be paid for?


What other spending would be cut to divert the funds to prison administration?

 

[Rune]

Felons convicted of gun violence should lose the right to guns.

 

[Damocles]

Who would that be? What specific felonies would merit life without parole?


How would the mass life incarcerations be paid for?


What other spending would be cut to divert the funds to prison administration?

Cut the "war on drugs", most violent crime could be solved by ending the territory wars concurrent with a black market.

As for "which", that would be the decision of a society who actually followed the constitution. Another option would be to include a permanent "parole" as part of the sentence, the sentence continues but not the incarceration. I believe that as part of the "punishment" of such a parole could be a revocation of such a right. (In fact I think that is how we continue to deny weapons to those convicted of felonies of moral turpitude.)

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Felons convicted of gun violence should lose the right to guns.

Is that constitutional?


Besides, many violent crimes are committed by people whose posssesion of firearms is already illegal, aren't they?


Gun control laws don't work, do they?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Cut the "war on drugs", most violent crime could be solved by ending the territory wars concurrent with a black market. As for "which", that would be the decision of a society who actually followed the constitution. Another option would be to include a permanent "parole" as part of the sentence, the sentence continues but not the incarceration. I believe that as part of the "punishment" of such a parole could be a revocation of such a right. (In fact I think that is how we continue to deny weapons to those convicted of felonies of moral turpitude.)

Does this answer my questions?


Why the dance?

 

[Damocles]

Does this answer my questions?


Why the dance?

Yes, it answered your question.

If you want more money, the easiest way to do it is to end the failed "war on drugs" which would also be a net positive for society as most violent crime would lose motivation.

I then gave other options to permanent incarceration, then stated that society would need to decide which crimes merited permanent incarceration.

Now we'll see if you will answer any...

You stated in another thread that you support the death penalty so long as there is 100% certainty that they have committed the crime. Which crimes do you believe would be worth such a death penalty if such certainty is a given?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yes, it answered your question. If you want more money, the easiest way to do it is to end the failed "war on drugs" which would also be a net positive for society as most violent crime would lose motivation. I then gave other options to permanent incarceration, then stated that society would need to decide which crimes merited permanent incarceration. Now we'll see if you will answer any...You stated in another thread that you support the death penalty so long as there is 100% certainty that they have committed the crime. Which crimes do you believe would be worth such a death penalty if such certainty is a given?

I disagree.


Here are my questions, again, for your reference:


What specific felonies would merit life without parole?

A generalization that drug felonies should not be crimesand society would decide doesn't answer this question, does it? What do YOU say should be worthy of a life sentence without parole?

How would the mass life incarcerations be paid for?

Do you know how much additional funding would be needed based on the projected lifetime prison population? How much would you need, and how would it be paid for?

What other spending would be cut to divert the funds to prison administration?

How much of the funding "war on drugs" already funds prison administration? You cannot divert funds that have already been spent to future needs, can you? So, again, what will you cut, and by how much?


As to your question, I did not mean I "support the death penalty so long as there is 100% certainty that they have committed the crime".

The death penalty is wrong. Period. Sorry I gave you the wrong impression.

 

[Jarod]

Dont forget a nuke is a weapon.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

If they are a such a danger that they should be "banned" from weapons they probably shouldn't be released.

I agree but that's a different issue for a different thread.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Felons convicted of gun violence should lose the right to guns.

people convicted of crimes using weapons should be imprisoned for life, thus losing almost all rights.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Dont forget a nuke is a weapon.

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. I don't see any exclusions.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

people convicted of crimes using weapons should be imprisoned for life, thus losing almost all rights.

How would you pay for the mass lifetime incarcerations?


What other spending would you cut to pay for it?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I agree but that's a different issue for a different thread.

This "moderator" title seems to have gone to your head.

It's my thread, and Damocles' board.

If we want to discuss it here, what's your fucking problem?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

How would you pay for the mass lifetime incarcerations?

my solution is the same as Damos'. end the war on drugs, at least for individual growth and possession of marijuana. That alone would alleviate a lot of cost.

What other spending would you cut to pay for it?

30% of the FBI, ATF, and DEA budget.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I think what Damo means is that not all felons are violent. white collar crimes are non violent felonies, so why should someone convicted of mail fraud or tax evasion lose their 2nd Amendment rights?

Because they committed a felon and are being punished.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because they committed a felon and are being punished.

while they are imprisoned, yes. once they are done serving their debt to society, they should have all of their rights restored.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Thanks for the more-specific response.


But which crimes would you say merit life without parole?


How much do you imagine it would cost to incarcerate those convicted for life, and what funding would you divert from other uses to bear the additional costs?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

while they are imprisoned, yes. once they are done serving their debt to society, they should have all of their rights restored.

If they are imprisoned for life with no possibility of parole - as you advocated in post 30 - that would not happen, right?