Trade Wars Are Easy To Win. Just Ask The Farmers

Another trump day, another starving farmer


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Yep........ I think 80% of that county voted for trump......... I guess that's the thanks they get, & a few handouts starting today..

THose handouts weren't enough to cover costs moreless anything else, that was before China ended all purchases.....

Hopefully most of them make it, having learned some valuable lessons..........

I am your voice, said Trump. I alone can fix it.
 
Yep........ I think 80% of that county voted for trump......... I guess that's the thanks they get, & a few handouts starting today..

THose handouts weren't enough to cover costs moreless anything else, that was before China ended all purchases.....

Hopefully most of them make it, having learned some valuable lessons..........

I am your voice, said Trump. I alone can fix it.
LMAO. If by 'fix', you mean 'fuck up', then he wasn't lying.
Agriculture is such a fragile business. With perfect contracts in place, the weather can destroy an entire business. With so much on the line, the last thing farmers needed was something like this. They too were duped by trump's campaign lies. Not unlike union workers in the states that trump 'stole' from Clinton, but farmers have so much to lose.

They have huge loans for machinery, seed, fertilizer, etc.
 
LMAO. If by 'fix', you mean 'fuck up', then he wasn't lying.
Agriculture is such a fragile business. With perfect contracts in place, the weather can destroy an entire business. With so much on the line, the last thing farmers needed was something like this. They too were duped by trump's campaign lies. Not unlike union workers in the states that trump 'stole' from Clinton, but farmers have so much to lose.

They have huge loans for machinery, seed, fertilizer, etc.

Those perfect contracts are now in Argentina & Brazil..... Sadly in Brazil they have been cutting down the Amazon to grow & now they are most assuredly going to increase production to fill the market demands.....

The hog farmers got a break w/ outbreak of African swine flu there but what is to stop them & others from jumping in big time?? I am sure China would rather shop some place else..
 
Those who wanted to know what it would be like to have an incompetent businessman run the govt. got their answer. They took a shot because of his pie in the sky promises, even though they knew he was lying.

Now that he's abandoned every promise he made to those who aren't extremely wealthy, they're gone from his side of the equation.

Hopefully those who refused to vote due to a disdain for Hillary learned their lesson this time around.

I have a feeling turnout will be better than '18, which was record setting.

Let trump refuse to debate. I don't think that works well for him outside of the 30% of the country that supports him.

Trump has a 98.6% success rate in businesses. Makeup some MORE BULLSHIT.


See if you can "quote a 'Farmer' " who IS NOT A DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE, why DONTCHA?
 
Trump has a 98.6% success rate in businesses. Makeup some MORE BULLSHIT.


See if you can "quote a 'Farmer' " who IS NOT A DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE, why DONTCHA?

We await the supporting links.. Thnx..

As is your usual-If any farmers were presented you would simply say they were a dem operative.

The first thing one needs to do when making such a challenge is have some integrity.........

When you find some pls ask again....
 

Another problem the con-man is going to be facing is the WTO.. He can only pass out so much welfare to farmers before others, "partners" begin to scream because according to the rules you can't just hand out as much cash you want to payoff your supporters...:|

How farmer trade aid undermines the US in world markets

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To shore up support from an important constituency, the administration has provided farmers and ranchers with generous compensation packages for 2018 and 2019 losses which could top over $26 billion. Yet, while that aid will help the sector in the short term, the level of subsidies threatens to prompt further trade actions against U.S. agriculture as support levels are in danger of exceeding domestic support limits in the World Trade Organization.

Current WTO rules limit U.S. trade distorting support to $19.1 billion. Since the WTO disciplines went into effect in 1995, the United States has remained within its limits. In 2016, the most recent year reported, U.S. trade distorting support was less than $5 billion. However, the 2018 trade aid package more than tripled those levels and the 2019 package could push the United States over its limits. This could in turn prompt WTO members from challenging U.S. support programs and if successful, seek damages or other trade concessions.

Ironically, the United States has long argued for farm subsidy reforms within the WTO, particularly for large emerging economies whose farm supports have grown considerably in recent years according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. To that end, in the waning days of the Obama administration, the United States launched a WTO challenge against China’s support for corn, wheat and rice producers claiming that China’s support levels were inconsistent with China’s obligations under the WTO Agreement on Agriculture.
 
We await the supporting links.. Thnx..

As is your usual-If any farmers were presented you would simply say they were a dem operative.

The first thing one needs to do when making such a challenge is have some integrity.........

When you find some pls ask again....
LMAO. Grock is a moron. Don't hold your breath.
 
Another problem the con-man is going to be facing is the WTO.. He can only pass out so much welfare to farmers before others, "partners" begin to scream because according to the rules you can't just hand out as much cash you want to payoff your supporters...:|

How farmer trade aid undermines the US in world markets

snip>

To shore up support from an important constituency, the administration has provided farmers and ranchers with generous compensation packages for 2018 and 2019 losses which could top over $26 billion. Yet, while that aid will help the sector in the short term, the level of subsidies threatens to prompt further trade actions against U.S. agriculture as support levels are in danger of exceeding domestic support limits in the World Trade Organization.

Current WTO rules limit U.S. trade distorting support to $19.1 billion. Since the WTO disciplines went into effect in 1995, the United States has remained within its limits. In 2016, the most recent year reported, U.S. trade distorting support was less than $5 billion. However, the 2018 trade aid package more than tripled those levels and the 2019 package could push the United States over its limits. This could in turn prompt WTO members from challenging U.S. support programs and if successful, seek damages or other trade concessions.

Ironically, the United States has long argued for farm subsidy reforms within the WTO, particularly for large emerging economies whose farm supports have grown considerably in recent years according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. To that end, in the waning days of the Obama administration, the United States launched a WTO challenge against China’s support for corn, wheat and rice producers claiming that China’s support levels were inconsistent with China’s obligations under the WTO Agreement on Agriculture.
Excellent point. For all of his big talk about Canada, and our dairy industry, that was a big factor. We subsidize our farmers in order to keep milk products cheap. It skews Canada's market.


This idiot is in way over his head. We wondered how much damage this fool could do before we evict him from the White House in '21.
 
^ silliness. agriculture is a year to year contract. the markets will return when the price is right

Nope. It's more than just Country X agrees to buy ___ from Country Y. It is a complex system involving storage facilities (on both ends), transport to and from shipping centers, shipping itself, and so on. Once a market is closed off, it is devilishly difficult to reopen it -- particularly if others (like Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Russia, etc.) have stepped in to fill the niche. If you are a business owner dependent upon overseas goods for your own product(s), which would you prefer to do business with? A country with a stable government and a reliable supply chain? Or one with an unstable, irrational leader who may or may not take actions that negatively affect your supplier(s)?
 
Trump has no knowledge base for running an economy. There are almost no economists who think tariffs are a good idea. But Trump is not using them for economic reasons, but weapons in political purposes. He is using the pain he is causing Americans to pressure China. China thinks long term. They may do the same thing and more suffering will come our way. China does not have elections to deal with. They can wait Daffy out.

Yep. Very good analysis, thanks.
 
Trump has no knowledge base for running an economy. There are almost no economists who think tariffs are a good idea. But Trump is not using them for economic reasons, but weapons in political purposes. He is using the pain he is causing Americans to pressure China. China thinks long term. They may do the same thing and more suffering will come our way. China does not have elections to deal with. They can wait Daffy out.

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Nope. It's more than just Country X agrees to buy ___ from Country Y. It is a complex system involving storage facilities (on both ends), transport to and from shipping centers, shipping itself, and so on. Once a market is closed off, it is devilishly difficult to reopen it -- particularly if others (like Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Russia, etc.) have stepped in to fill the niche. If you are a business owner dependent upon overseas goods for your own product(s), which would you prefer to do business with? A country with a stable government and a reliable supply chain? Or one with an unstable, irrational leader who may or may not take actions that negatively affect your supplier(s)?
the agri product is sold and shipped.
If another supplier then has a better deal or a reason to change next year or the next contract
it is easily signed with another party.

we just saw China switch from the USA to these parties -no trade reason they cant switch back

U.S. Soybean Exports Are Fungible
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4162033-u-s-soybean-exports-fungible
 
the agri product is sold and shipped.
If another supplier then has a better deal or a reason to change next year or the next contract
it is easily signed with another party.

we just saw China switch from the USA to these parties -no trade reason they cant switch back

U.S. Soybean Exports Are Fungible
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4162033-u-s-soybean-exports-fungible

How long do you think trumps trade war/huge tax on American consumers is going to last & do you honestly think farmers can wait around/survive until "happy days are here again"??

Sure they can switch back~if they wanted to, but there is no guarantee is there?

Are you familiar w/ seekingalpha??
 
the agri product is sold and shipped.
If another supplier then has a better deal or a reason to change next year or the next contract
it is easily signed with another party.

we just saw China switch from the USA to these parties -no trade reason they cant switch back

U.S. Soybean Exports Are Fungible
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4162033-u-s-soybean-exports-fungible

I'd be pretty loathe to switch back to a supplier in a country with an unstable and irrational leader with the power to fuck over trade and treaties.
 
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